Environment Man

God is is timeless, has infinite power and is all knowing. That is formula enough.

Titanium Cat

You are wrong, you yourself said that god gave up being omniscient, so he is no longer all knowing.

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Environment Man

He is all knowing because he knows what he does not know. Because he voluntarily give up knowing what you will choose in no way reduces his 'all knowingness.' In fact it increases because he knows why he knew to allow free choice. Plus it aint rocket science. He knows all the possible choices or results anyway so there is nothing to 'not know.'

Titanium Cat

How much have you had to drink today?

You just claimed that by giving up his all knowingness it actually increased his all knowingness. I understand your definition of infinity is just a number but in reality you can't add to infinity and get a larger value.

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Environment Man

Nothing to drink today except prune juice. This body is cleansed.

God cannot be reduced by you. His gift does not reduce him at all. He is all knowing and knows all of the choices available. The fact that he has given us power to choose in no way demises him. He knows all of the choices but leave it to us to be independent beings to make independent choices. Of course that does not mean you can break his laws.

Titanium Cat

I'm not reducing god, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous your babbling is.

That's not what you in fact said, you said his choice to give up his all knowing actually increased his all knowing. That is insanely idiotic.

He is all knowing but according to you gave up being all knowing. Uh huh, sure you haven't had anything to drink today with a little more zip than prune juice.

He might know all the choices but he does not know which ones we will choose to make. Hence he is not all knowing.

But that's the problem, you aren't all knowing and your ridiculous inconsistent and contradictory babbling makes it certain that you don't know what god's laws are and in fact nobody does.

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Environment Man

Correct about the increase. By utilizing his all knowing nature to relinquish an infinitesimally small part of his all knowing actually is an increase in his knowledge. For he has created a being that knows something that he does not know. That in no way limits God's all knowingness.

His all knowing is not reduced by what his creation knows that he does not know for God knowingly did this.

He IS all knowing for he knows you will pick A or B. What is there to KNOW. Just because YOU make the choice does not reduce his all knowing for he knows all the alternative choices. There is not mystery there or unknowingness. God knows that you will pick A, B or C. Yet he allows his independent the choice. The free choice of the independent does not reduce God's all knowingness.

It only appears inconsistent to you because you do not accept God's nature. Thus you are incapable of knowing what God knows the way I do.

Comicsartist

In my opinion, free will works thusly:

Remember those "choose your own adventure books"? The author lays out every possible path. Every ending is known, as is every path. The author does not quite know what paths you will chose, but the author does know what paths you could take.

At least, that's how I see it.

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Titanium Cat

If one's knowlegde increased then it is impossible for them to have been all knowing before because by definition they now know something that previously didn't. So you have proven that god was never omniscient. Excellent work e-man!

I think you should go to the emergency room ASAP, you must be having some sort of stroke, mere alcohol could not cause such incoherency.

LOL, by that definition of all knowing you should be able to go to Vegas and cleanup.

An all knowing being would already know that.

But he didn't know what choice you would make.

So? When I roll a die I know that a 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 will come up. However I do not consider myself all knowing.

Only because you have redefined "all knowing" to "not actually knowing everything".

No, anyone claiming that someone who is all knowing can actually increase their knowledge isn't just inconsistant, but also deranged.

Because you believe that you are all knowing just like god. It is how you worship yourself.

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Environment Man

Right. So the author's knowledge is not reduced by the decision the person makes.

Cat is just constantly trying to find flaw in God to justify his rejection.