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Old 02-17-2008, 04:11 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Right. So the author's knowledge is not reduced by the decision the person makes.
You actually claimed that god's knowledge increased. That somehow an all knowing being could know more. Put down that pipe!

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You admitted that god sacrificed all knowing. Yet somehow still claim that he is all knowing. That is all kind of stupid.
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Old 02-17-2008, 04:13 PM   #42 (permalink)
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You admitted that god sacrificed all knowing. Yet somehow still claim that he is all knowing. That is all kind of stupid.
Well I admit that I worded it awkwardly. His gift of free will to humans in no way sacrificed his 'all knowing.' Just because it is YOUR choice as to whether to sin does reduce God's knowledge. His not knowing your choice is not a reduction in knowledge.
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Old 02-17-2008, 04:16 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Well I admit that I worded it awkwardly.
LOL, worded it awkwardly! Maybe you misremembered what you incorrectly said.

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His gift of free will to humans in no way sacrificed his 'all knowing.' Just because it is YOUR choice as to whether to sin does reduce God's knowledge. His not knowing your choice is not a reduction in knowledge.
His not knowing your choice is therefore not all knowing. If he knew what your choice was before (which he would have to in order to be all knowing) then he has lost knowledge.
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Old 02-17-2008, 04:25 PM   #44 (permalink)
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LOL, worded it awkwardly! Maybe you misremembered what you incorrectly said.

His not knowing your choice is therefore not all knowing. If he knew what your choice was before (which he would have to in order to be all knowing) then he has lost knowledge.
Okay roger clemons.

Well I would have to say that he knows your choice but does not control it. There. That keeps him all knowing.
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Old 02-17-2008, 04:27 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Okay roger clemons.

Well I would have to say that he knows your choice but does not control it. There. That keeps him all knowing.
So then you admit that he did not sacrifice being omniscient like you previously claimed! We are make some progress.

So god knew that we would fail from the beginning yet choose to create us anyway. No doubt because he loves killing.
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So then you admit that he did not sacrifice being omniscient like you previously claimed! We are make some progress.

So god knew that we would fail from the beginning yet choose to create us anyway. No doubt because he loves killing.
YES. Killing is relative to God.
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YES. Killing is relative to God.
So god is a moral relativist. Figures. He made up imperfect fully knowing that we would fail just so he had a built-in reason to kill us. God sucks.
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So god is a moral relativist. Figures. He made up imperfect fully knowing that we would fail just so he had a built-in reason to kill us. God sucks.
God cant be a moral relativist for whatever he establishes IS the law. God IS morality.

This new revelation I've had though has interesting implications.

You could probably assume that a creature without experience would violate free will. That is not a great leap.
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God cant be a moral relativist for whatever he establishes IS the law. God IS morality.
Therefore by that logic god cannot be good or evil since he/she/it defines what is good and evil.

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This new revelation I've had though has interesting implications.
Flip flopper. This isn't going to help your presidential campaign.

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You could probably assume that a creature without experience would violate free will. That is not a great leap.
So even a non-omniscient being would have known that the highly flawed created he created would have failed. And if our inexperience is the cause then it really isn't our fault, we really don't have free will anymore than we consider a one year old as having violated free will when it makes a wrong decision.
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This video is a bit of a joke, really. It is offensive, but funny. So how deluded are you?

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