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Old 02-21-2008, 05:19 PM   #31 (permalink)
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It's harder to convince others that everyone is capable of being, for lack of a better word, rehabilitated. So I think most of what you said here is true.

Though a tangent thought - you're saying the kid had no choices because of his home life yet we constantly ask if other media influences violence. Is it one, the other, or both? I suspect everyone is exposed to both good and bad choices, no matter what they blame.

No I was actually saying the kid had no home life at all. See this is what I meant about taking off our shoes first. My life was no picnic in regards to my family life. In fact it was as messed up as you can get yet it was no where near the same as a kid literally abandoned on the streets with no father and a mother who was too busy being high to even know she had a kid. I'm talking about a kid whos ONLY influence in life is that of gang bangers and criminals. We like to think we have some idea as to what it's like to be that kind a person yet through our inability to rid our selves of our own life experiences we tend to make their lives less horrible then they really were.
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Old 02-21-2008, 05:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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No I was actually saying the kid had no home life at all. See this is what I meant about taking off our shoes first. My life was no picnic in regards to my family life. In fact it was as messed up as you can get yet it was no where near the same as a kid literally abandoned on the streets with no father and a mother who was too busy being high to even know she had a kid. I'm talking about a kid whos ONLY influence in life is that of gang bangers and criminals. We like to think we have some idea as to what it's like to be that kind a person yet through our inability to rid our selves of our own life experiences we tend to make their lives less horrible then they really were.
This doesn't answer my question but okay.
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It's harder to convince others that everyone is capable of being, for lack of a better word, rehabilitated. So I think most of what you said here is true.

Though a tangent thought - you're saying the kid had no choices because of his home life yet we constantly ask if other media influences violence. Is it one, the other, or both? I suspect everyone is exposed to both good and bad choices, no matter what they blame.

Then I guess I don't know what your asking.

What do you mean by "other" media?

What do you mean by everyone is exposed to both good and bad choices?

The person I am talking about is not exposed to good choices. Just like the suicide bombers in Iraq were not exposed to good choices. In fact we look at what they are doing as bad choices and they look at it as good choices or having no choice at all because there is only one thing for them to do. What they feel is right.


You "suspecting" that all people are exposed to good and bad choices are through your own personal point of view simplifying the problem for your own gain.

Unless I am misunderstanding what you're saying in which case I apologize.
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Then I guess I don't know what your asking.

What do you mean by "other" media?
Medium could be a better word but nonetheless, families (OR lack thereof) are their own media in whatever environment they create. "Other" media would be any outside influence - from the obvious "media" of tv, games, music, advertising, etc. to organizations of education, politics, etc.

It's a question apart from nature vs. nurture in that it's asking which part of the environment (nurture only) plays the most influence in an individual's choices.

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What do you mean by everyone is exposed to both good and bad choices?
Unless we are talking about children raised by wolves, they've been exposed to normal (good) choices of living. Whether they recognize going to work and being responsible as a "good" choice is another matter.

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The person I am talking about is not exposed to good choices. Just like the suicide bombers in Iraq were not exposed to good choices. In fact we look at what they are doing as bad choices and they look at it as good choices or having no choice at all because there is only one thing for them to do. What they feel is right.
When someone walks down any street with some type of legitimate commerce, they are exposed to "good" choices, yes? If they catch wind of peaceful walkouts in the news, they are exposed to "good" choices, yes? Ads promoting clean drinking water expose them to a "good" choice as well, yes? The person you are talking about sounds very hypothetical when those ideas are brought up - unless they were in a basement.

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You "suspecting" that all people are exposed to good and bad choices are through your own personal point of view simplifying the problem for your own gain.
You are definitely not in my shoes, to borrow your expression in this thread.

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Unless I am misunderstanding what you're saying in which case I apologize.
Hmm...I asked a question and your response was pretty much on defense when it needn't be.
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