DRS112

So...no such thing as negligent homicide....

You can believe that all you want...but it doesn't excuse the parents from their responsibility to protect the life of their kid.


Who said anything about it wasted? There may have been good that come out of it...but again...that does not justify the parents failing to protect the life of their kid...

Children are not little adults...they do not posses the physical or mental ability to behave as adults...and spiritual theories aside...there is more than enough evidence to back that up.

Whens the last time a placebo cured a major disease in anyone? Works great for hypochondriacs...

No...the overabundance of one and the lack of the other is not only harmful but fatal. There is no excuse for it when you are playing with somebody else's life...period.

I don't care how long it takes some kids to grow up...barring that this child was some sort of prodigy...there is no possible way for this child to assume that not only are her parents making the wrong decision, but also to gain the courage to go against their wills and then devise a way to check herself into a hospital....AND even if she did manage to do that...there is no way...without her parents consent or a court order could she obtain the long term care needed to keep her healthy and alive...barring the type of miracle that the parents were WISHING for could she have survived even with the cognitive faculties of an adult.

AlineaHeart

In the long run, no. In short-sighted physical, societal view, yes.

Yet, the outrage spoken here is about uniform parenting, is it not? What happened to allowing the freedom of religion? Who is to say what is wrong or right to believe?

General tone gathered from the post. Besides, "society" tends to always view a child's death more tragically than an adult's.

Takes awhile to be reminded of all these mud lessons and how to maneuver. Yet, there is a poster, I'm reluctant to say, who was correct in that the basic personality of the adult is formed by age six or so.

Yet there are studies that reveal it is the belief of a cure that can do just as much good.

The only life anyone plays with is their own. Sorry, we're just not going to agree here.

Courage? The parents don't sound like they were intimidating her but not a lot has been reported.

Well, just to bring it back to the original post...later reporting of the other children shows no sign of neglect or abuse.

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DRS112

Make no mistake...this is not a debate about uniformity...they are free to practice their religion and even force their child to...up to the point where it causes bodily harm...otherwise...you mean to tell me that if torture were part of their religion...or child sacrifice(ironically that's what this adds up to)...it should be allowed...since it is their religion?

Only because it generally means they were taken advantage of by an adult or fell victim to an adults act...

We're not talking about their personality...we're talking about their physical and mental capabilities..


again...only in some cases...with some people...and never...in any disease such as diabetes.


You're right we won't agree...I cannot fathom the idea that our own doings can have negative effects on others...especially that of a child...the idea is beyond absurd...I suppose I can murder someone and claim it was their doing....they must not have possessed the will to live and overcome the bullet I put in their brain...they should have prayed harder.


You underestimate the bond and the admiration a child has for their parents then...regardless of how overbearing the parents are....


Good...the other three kids should be removed...their lives are in jeopardy.

Ouroboros

I'm not a big fan of the medical profession either. So you believe in reincarnation. May I ask what belief system(s) you have?

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Parents indicted in faith-healing death

Mon Mar 31, 12:09 PM ET

OREGON CITY, Ore. - A couple whose church preaches against medical care are facing criminal charges after their young daughter died of an infection that authorities said went untreated.

Carl and Raylene Worthington were indicted Friday on charges of manslaughter and criminal mistreatment in the death of their 15-month-old daughter Ava. They belong to the Followers of Christ Church, whose members have a history of treating gravely ill children only with prayer.

Ava died March 2 of bronchial pneumonia and a blood infection. The state medical examiner's office has said she could have been treated with antibiotics.

Dr. Christopher Young, a deputy state medical examiner, said the child's breathing was further hampered by a benign cyst on her neck that had never been medically addressed, The Oregonian reported.

Laws passed in the 1990s struck down legal shields for faith-healing parents after the deaths of several children whose parents were members of the fundamentalist church.

Since those laws took effect in 1999, "We haven't seen any cases of significant medical neglect ... until now," said child abuse Detective Jeff Green of the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office.

The Worthingtons could face more than six years if convicted on the manslaughter charges and up to a year on the mistreatment charges, said Greg Horner, chief deputy district attorney. They were released on $250,000 bail, he said.

Horner said he didn't know whether the couple had lawyers to speak for them. A number listed for the couple was disconnected. A man who answered the phone at the church Monday would not identify himself and said: "We've been told 'No comment.'"

The Worthingtons also lost a baby boy in 2001, but an investigation was closed after family members told police the child was stillborn. Several other Followers of Christ children have also been stillborn or died during home births in recent years, and none of the deaths resulted in criminal charges, authorities have said.

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Xcaezarx

Hehe, nope, not at all.

AlineaHeart

It's not so much that I find medicine to be bad but that it's consumed like most everything else: not much thinking on behalf of the consumer. I do believe this is a symptom of western medicine, however.

I would say I'm like the 'Tic in that I'm cafeteria style but I haven't studied all religions (but know a wee bit about most). Lately, Seth is summing up what I have come to know.

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Sharon den Adel

Allow me to add my two cents:


In my opinion, these parents should be charged with manslaughter.
The sad fact of the matter is, they chose their religion over the health and welfare of their daughter, and this is unforgivable.

I have nothing against religion - it is not my business to tell you what you should and should not believe - but when you choose to bring a child into this world, they come first, and your religion comes second.

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AlineaHeart

I just can't help but wonder: would the reactions here be the same if this happened in an Amish community (or any other religious group not quite as detested in the US)? I do realize most Amish partake in "modern" medicine and it's an individual choice among them. Yet, look at the symptoms of the onset of diabetes - reads like a really bad bug you've picked up from somewhere. Meh.

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