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Old 03-30-2008, 10:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Why are so many obsessed with Mary? And what does she have to do with free will.
Try reading the opening statement of this thread once more. In that she was not offered a choice about being chosen, she was denied access to acting according to her own free will in the matter of carrying the Messiah.

BTW, I noticed that you could not help following me here. Not to add to the conversation, but to criticize the premise (apparently without understanding it). You are a mere critic unable grasp a talent as great as mine.
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Old 03-30-2008, 11:58 PM   #12 (permalink)
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All these people are probably fictitious you know. Based on a true story. Or not.
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Old 03-31-2008, 04:05 AM   #13 (permalink)
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All these people are probably fictitious you know. Based on a true story. Or not.
Of that I have little doubt. I just enjoy working out if/thens about it. If/thens about religion are one of the shortest roads from thumper to thinker.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:13 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Of that I have little doubt. I just enjoy working out if/thens about it. If/thens about religion are one of the shortest roads from thumper to thinker.
Lol, Dawnling is right. Somebody just slipped Mary a roofie, as unfortunate as it is...
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Why are so many obsessed with Mary? And what does she have to do with free will.
Ahh, so your the Eman that everyone warned me about when I first joined here.
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Christianity is a study in contradictions. Their god is omnipotent and omniscient. If that's true he knows everything that's going to happen to you. Yet the Christians claim they have free will. But that's impossible.
Why would an all knowing and all powerful god need to father a son by a human? And then let him be killed? This somehow relieved US of sin. You need to explain that one and nobody can.
Discussing bull shit is pointless. You come up with more bull shit.
Add all other monotheistic religions to your list. They are ALL contradictory, and/or just made-up lies.

Any "God" who needs the Womb of a Woman to bear and birth his Child into this World, is NOT all powerful and omnipotent.

Seems to me, most Humans need Lies, to make the fact that they have NO clue, easier to live with. And dying is somehow more "reasonable" to accept.
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Why are so many obsessed with Mary? And what does she have to do with free will.
She gave birth to: YOUR SAVIOR!! The Jesus YOU worship. The Son of YOUR God.

Nobody's "obsessed" with Mary. The Catholics honor her for giving birth to "God's" Son. Apparently....this "God" has Limits.

And there is NO free will in Monotheism. That is an outright Lie.
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She gave birth to: YOUR SAVIOR!! The Jesus YOU worship. The Son of YOUR God.

Nobody's "obsessed" with Mary. The Catholics honor her for giving birth to "God's" Son. Apparently....this "God" has Limits.

And there is NO free will in Monotheism. That is an outright Lie.
This is actually one of my favorite things to argue with Christians about.
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Fatalism and free will contradict eachother. Enough said.
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Fatalism and free will contradict eachother. Enough said.
This sums it up perfectly.
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