The christian god is no respecter of free will - Page 21

guest1234567 · 04-18-2008, 10:48 AM

So Peter says to God, "How about we go to Earth for Vacation? It's a nice planet."

And God says, "Hell no, the last time I was there I knocked up some Jewish chick and they're still talking about it!"

Sorry I couldn't resist

LeisureChrist · 04-18-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

You fool. God did not change. The Jews did.

Them being the chosen people was God's choice, not theirs (another example of God's lack of respect for free will, putting the responsibility of living up to being the "chosen ones" on a people whether they like it or not). If God changed his mind, God changed. If God changed his mind regarding a people of the actions of specific individuals, his unchanging nature is the very weakest part of his myth.

Speaking of fools, you're the one who keeps struggling to come up excuses for the inconsistencies of your imaginary friend. A real god would not need the likes of you to defend him.

LeisureChrist · 04-18-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

She consented. She did not have to see the baby to term. She was a willing participant. Your attempt to pervert this is demonic.

She me the passage in the Bible where Gods asks her if she will carry his son and she agrees. Otherwise, she did not consent.

Environment Man · 04-18-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LeisureChrist

Them being the chosen people was God's choice, not theirs (another example of God's lack of respect for free will, putting the responsibility of living up to being the "chosen ones" on a people whether they like it or not). If God changed his mind, God changed. If God changed his mind regarding a people of the actions of specific individuals, his unchanging nature is the very weakest part of his myth.

Speaking of fools, you're the one who keeps struggling to come up excuses for the inconsistencies of your imaginary friend. A real god would not need the likes of you to defend him.

Your pathetic attempts to find fault are pathetic.

God CAN change his mind. He is God. That does not diminish him for anything that God does IS the standard of perfection.

Environment Man · 04-18-2008, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LeisureChrist

She me the passage in the Bible where Gods asks her if she will carry his son and she agrees. Otherwise, she did not consent.

Havent you ever just made love to a woman. The both of you just sliding into it? Well that is how it happened with Mary. Before she knew it she was with child.

TrueBlueAmerican · 04-18-2008, 12:50 PM

To understand why there is no such thing as free will according to Christians we must turn to the saints for guidance!

Thomas Aquinas believed that the whole world is ruled by divine providence aka divine law, and by extension the whole community is governed by divine reason.

Since all things are subject to divine providence and are ruled and measured by divine reason, all things must emenate from eternal law, which is where their natural inclinations to act come from. Humans as rational animals have a share of eternal reason, which is where humans get their natural inclinations to act, and this participation of the eternal law by the rational creature is called natural law.

Every act of reason and will is based according to gods will because every human act of reasoning is based on principles that are known naturally to us through our particpation in gods eternal law.

Humans draw conclusions of things they did not know naturally by using their reason, which is based on the naturally known principles that come from natural law. These particular determinations divised by human reason are called human laws.

Environment Man · 04-18-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueAmerican

To understand why there is no such thing as free will according to Christians we must turn to the saints for guidance!

Thomas Aquinas believed that the whole world is ruled by divine providence aka divine law, and by extension the whole community is governed by divine reason.

Since all things are subject to divine providence and are ruled and measured by divine reason, all things must emenate from eternal law, which is where their natural inclinations to act come from. Humans as rational animals have a share of eternal reason, which is where humans get their natural inclinations to act, and this participation of the eternal law by the rational creature is called natural law.

Every act of reason and will is based according to gods will because every human act of reasoning is based on principles that are known naturally to us through our particpation in gods eternal law.

Humans draw conclusions of things they did not know naturally by using their reason, which is based on the naturally known principles that come from natural law. These particular determinations divised by human reason are called human laws.

Correct: We were created in God's image.