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Old 06-03-2008, 03:52 AM   #551 (permalink)
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If the worship of anything other than God is the worship of the Devil, then by extension anything that is not God is the Devil.

Do you believe that you are God?
I don't think God would be as conceited, judgemental and self-worshipping as Eman.
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Old 06-03-2008, 03:54 AM   #552 (permalink)
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Eman is a simple man.
Well there you go! So what's your problem with the Poem??
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Old 06-04-2008, 04:37 PM   #553 (permalink)
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I don't think God would be as conceited, judgemental and self-worshipping as Eman.
You misunderstand Eman then. He is humble. A bug. God is the almighty sovereign.
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Old 06-04-2008, 04:43 PM   #554 (permalink)
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Well there you go! So what's your problem with the Poem??
Simple E-Man met a free man at the P-Groove Faire.

Said Simple E-Man to the free man, "Free will is a snare.

"Free will leads to free thought, and free thought leads from God."

"A god whose gift produces rifts..." the free man said, "How odd."

Well free will is not a snare. It is a blessing. It does not lead away from God but leads us to God. And that blessing does not produce rifts, it produces righteousness. In the end.
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Old 06-04-2008, 07:32 PM   #555 (permalink)
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Simple E-Man met a free man at the P-Groove Faire.

Said Simple E-Man to the free man, "Free will is a snare.

"Free will leads to free thought, and free thought leads from God."

"A god whose gift produces rifts..." the free man said, "How odd."

Well free will is not a snare. It is a blessing. It does not lead away from God but leads us to God. And that blessing does not produce rifts, it produces righteousness. In the end.
Unless you are suggesting that everybody who ever turned away from God did because they had NO choice, and that nobody who does follow the teachings of religion does so out of habits instilled as a child, your contention that free leads toward belief in a god, and specifically the God you pretend to worship, is spurious at best.
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Unless you are suggesting that everybody who ever turned away from God did because they had NO choice, and that nobody who does follow the teachings of religion does so out of habits instilled as a child, your contention that free leads toward belief in a god, and specifically the God you pretend to worship, is spurious at best.
Your circular logic does not fit into a square root.

God created free will so it is good. Man had perverted it by turning away from God by breaking God's laws. That is an abuse of free will.
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Your circular logic does not fit into a square root.

God created free will so it is good. Man had perverted it by turning away from God by breaking God's laws. That is an abuse of free will.
Is god incapable of creating that which is not good? How do you explain satan? hitler? fruit cake?
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God created free will so it is good.
So either satan is good because God created Satan or Satan exists independently of God's creative power, diminishing God far more than anything I could say... Which is it, Sparky?
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Is god incapable of creating that which is not good? How do you explain satan? hitler? fruit cake?
That's a very interesting Question, but you know he's just gonna say that they (yes, even the fruit cake) are agents of Satan (nevermind that god created him too)
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God created free will so it is good. Man had perverted it by turning away from God by breaking God's laws. That is an abuse of free will.
You DO realize that in posting this, you have testified that free will can , in fact, lead away from God and that every post you've made in this thread decrying the validity of my little ditty has just been rendered pointless?
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