What If...? [theological implications of cosmic collisions] - Page 3

Gaia · 04-11-2008, 12:58 PM

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Not all there. A lot was lost to history, the Romans were that thorough. The first emperior of China in 272 BC did something similar only he was more thorough. To this day there are whole cultures predating China that archeologists know nothing about because everything of who they were was totally destroyed; their writings, architecture, religions, everything. In some cases the people themselves were wiped out to the last person.

Well...true...to a point. The romans didn't mess with the old gods all that much, because they feared them. After they went christian, they brought the hammer down, that's true, but not to the point of extinction. Plus...the pagans were smart enough, to play the game.

I don't know hardly anything about china. I was born and raised in europe, by a grandmother who was a herb woman, healer, witch. She knew about pagan history and gods, potions, spells, trees, stones, plants...what to do with all of it, and how, and passed it all on to me. There is not much written down, it gets passed on to the next generation by word and deed. That's how it survives.

The_Heretic · 04-11-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaia

Well...true...to a point. The romans didn't mess with the old gods all that much, because they feared them. After they went christian, they brought the hammer down, that's true, but not to the point of extinction. Plus...the pagans were smart enough, to play the game.

No, I don't mean whole extinction, but substantial parts of the various pagan religions were lost to history. Archeologists are having to make a lot of guesses that they'd rather have answers for.

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I don't know hardly anything about china. I was born and raised in europe, by a grandmother who was a herb woman, healer, witch. She knew about pagan history and gods, potions, spells, trees, stones, plants...what to do with all of it, and how, and passed it all on to me. There is not much written down, it gets passed on to the next generation by word and deed. That's how it survives.

Here's weird for'ya on the history of Asia. What we today refer to as Polynesians trace back their roots to South East Asia and Southern China. But, with the Chinese expansion, especially with the first emperior, they were completely wiped out from the continent and the only survivors initiated one of the earliest ages of exploration over two thousand years ahead of the Europeans.

Gaia · 04-12-2008, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

No, I don't mean whole extinction, but substantial parts of the various pagan religions were lost to history. Archeologists are having to make a lot of guesses that they'd rather have answers for.

Yeah, that's true. Alot of it also has to do with the combative nature of humans. All the conquering, pillaging and subsequent destruction of entire tribes and their spiritual ways. That demonstrated ultimate victory, to destroy the costums and rituals and put theirs (whoever the conquerers were) in their place, and killing those who opposed them.

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Here's weird for'ya on the history of Asia. What we today refer to as Polynesians trace back their roots to South East Asia and Southern China. But, with the Chinese expansion, especially with the first emperior, they were completely wiped out from the continent and the only survivors initiated one of the earliest ages of exploration over two thousand years ahead of the Europeans.

Very secretive...the chinese. They like to keep things to themselves, don't they? I personally was just never all that interested in chinese things and history. Not really sure why.

The_Heretic · 04-12-2008, 12:13 PM

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Very secretive...the chinese. They like to keep things to themselves, don't they? I personally was just never all that interested in chinese things and history. Not really sure why.

It wasn't so much all Chinese culture to blame as much as one emperior's choice and the subsequent Confucian model of governance.

BleedingPinky · 04-12-2008, 03:25 PM

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This isn't a slam on Christianity or Judaism, I'm really curious what board members of either religion have to say.

Mind an atheist point of view? Check some chaos theory. Yeah, I know, easly stuck in to whatever discussion, make that some web site or at home. Still worth a read.
Chaos theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Environment Man · 04-12-2008, 04:45 PM

Thre are no implications. God protects the Earth just as he created it and everything else. So it is an impossibility for an event to destroy the Earth.

The_Heretic · 04-12-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingPinky

Mind an atheist point of view? Check some chaos theory. Yeah, I know, easly stuck in to whatever discussion, make that some web site or at home. Still worth a read.
Chaos theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm aware of chaos theory. But that doesn't answer my question about how the three Abrahamic theologies or those adhering to them would be affected.

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Thre are no implications. God protects the Earth just as he created it and everything else. So it is an impossibility for an event to destroy the Earth.

This isn't about what you won't happen. It's about how your beliefs would change if and when they did. Just- for the sake of argument, go on the assumption a meteorite impact did hit Jerusalem and vaporized "saint and sinner alike" simply because they were within the kill zone.

Environment Man · 04-12-2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

I'm aware of chaos theory. But that doesn't answer my question about how the three Abrahamic theologies or those adhering to them would be affected.

This isn't about what you won't happen. It's about how your beliefs would change if and when they did. Just- for the sake of argument, go on the assumption a meteorite impact did hit Jerusalem and vaporized "saint and sinner alike" simply because they were within the kill zone.

Israel would be reestablished. It has to be for the return. And humans will live on earth forever.

LeisureChrist · 04-13-2008, 01:45 AM

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Israel would be reestablished. It has to be for the return. And humans will live on earth forever.

So you agree that your God is no supporter of free will? Because humans have the capacity to render the Earth incapable of supporting humans. Indeed, we have the technology to utterly destroy the Earth. Thus, the only way for humans to live here forever is if God will not allow us to destroy the Earth.

BleedingPinky · 04-13-2008, 01:57 AM

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What are we to make of such a hit?

Those who have faith in any supreme being will handle it. Like at Waco.

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Would this imply that divine protection simply proved false?

Same answer as before.

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How would Christians, Jews and members of ever other religion cope with it? And would this force a change in our thinking over these two religions even if both theologies continued on after the paradigm challenging smash?

Again the same.

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

This isn't a slam on Christianity or Judaism, I'm really curious what board members of either religion have to say.

I should have read this before I typed anything. I am sorry.

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