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Old 04-06-2008, 08:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What If...? [theological implications of cosmic collisions]

Seeing an ad on the Sci Fi channel about a really crappy remake of the movie Asteroid had me thinking.

According to Judaism and Christianity alike Jerusalem is the "chosen city" and the people of Israel the "chosen people" to be protected by god's power.

And yet...

What if a meteor did strike in Israel- in Jerusalem possibly, kill hundreds of thousands or even tens of millions of people [Israeli, Palestinian and people in surrounding countries] simply because of random chance they being there when the planet and the object just happen to cross paths and turn just so when the hit occurs?

What are we to make of such a hit? Would this imply that divine protection simply proved false? How would Christians, Jews and members of ever other religion cope with it? And would this force a change in our thinking over these two religions even if both theologies continued on after the paradigm challenging smash?

This isn't a slam on Christianity or Judaism, I'm really curious what board members of either religion have to say.
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Old 04-06-2008, 08:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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There are always going to be people that have varied opinions but to be honest I never thought God played favorites.

I would hope if anyone else is still alive after it people would get the hint.
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There are always going to be people that have varied opinions but to be honest I never thought God played favorites.

I would hope if anyone else is still alive after it people would get the hint.
And those who do believe their god plays favorites? Do you think they would rethink their position?
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And those who do believe their god plays favorites? Do you think they would rethink their position?
As I said....i would hope so, but you know.......I really doubt it. They would say God selected that asteroid to hit that spot to take them to heaven.
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As I said....i would hope so, but you know.......I really doubt it. They would say God selected that asteroid to hit that spot to take them to heaven.
I can see it now. The rapture myth [dating back to 1850] is substituted with a warped version of Jesus' baptism by fire metaphore.

Cue the takeover by ants...
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I can see it now. The rapture myth [dating back to 1850] is substituted with a warped version of Jesus' baptism by fire metaphore.

Cue the takeover by ants...
Or they may possibly think that evil one finally "won" the earth...
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Or they may possibly think that evil one finally "won" the earth...
On that note they might "switch sides."
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Seeing an ad on the Sci Fi channel about a really crappy remake of the movie Asteroid had me thinking.

According to Judaism and Christianity alike Jerusalem is the "chosen city" and the people of Israel the "chosen people" to be protected by god's power.

And yet...

What if a meteor did strike in Israel- in Jerusalem possibly, kill hundreds of thousands or even tens of millions of people [Israeli, Palestinian and people in surrounding countries] simply because of random chance they being there when the planet and the object just happen to cross paths and turn just so when the hit occurs?

What are we to make of such a hit? Would this imply that divine protection simply proved false? How would Christians, Jews and members of ever other religion cope with it? And would this force a change in our thinking over these two religions even if both theologies continued on after the paradigm challenging smash?

This isn't a slam on Christianity or Judaism, I'm really curious what board members of either religion have to say.
Don't forget Islam! They need to go too!

Asteroids and Meteorites have collided with the Earth since the beginning of Time. Got nothing to do with God. That's just the way it is. Plus...the collisions have ultimately brought Life to this Earth, via Water and Ice. Existance/Life on this Planet is precarious at best, and can end at any moment. This God-belief has lulled most everyone into a false security, as if someone is in control over something, when in reality, noone is.

The last time an Asteroid hit this Planet (slammed into the Indian Ocean) was about 4800 years ago, and caused the great Flood (mentioned in the Bible) It killed about 50% of Humanity. ( Saw this on The History Channel about a Week ago Saturday) The event had nothing to do with God, it just happened. And it will happen again.

I guess it is comforting and important for some, to believe in God and that he has Power and Control over everything.
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Don't forget Islam! They need to go too!
That'll require a meteorite hit in Mecca and a second in Medina. Tougher shots to place a bet on.

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Precisely my point. If one were to vaporize portions of Jerusalem that would prove there is no divine protestion on any piece of real estate or chosen people.

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Yes, yes, I'm aware of that. According to one astronomer and his computer models we didn't get as much water as we could've.

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This God-belief has lulled most everyone into a false security, as if someone is in control over something, when in reality, noone is.

The last time an Asteroid hit this Planet (slammed into the Indian Ocean) was about 4800 years ago, and caused the great Flood (mentioned in the Bible) It killed about 50% of Humanity. ( Saw this on The History Channel about a Week ago Saturday) The event had nothing to do with God, it just happened. And it will happen again.
I missed that one. What did the show say about fallout blotting out the sunlight and where human populations were concentrated around the world at that time?

I'm still more inclined to believe the flood myth dates back to the end of the ice age and rising waters flooding coastal populations.

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My point is if a hit occurs in Jerusalem it'd force people to realize that their religion doesn't render them immune to the usual and more apt "shit happens" universe of events.
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That'll require a meteorite hit in Mecca and a second in Medina. Tougher shots to place a bet on.
Well...not really. If a Asteroid or Meteorite hit, they don't really have to hit the Target exactly, just somewhere in the general vicinity will do, because after the impact, there is much death and destruction, then the fallout causes alot of death and damage too, for quite some time to come.



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Precisely my point. If one were to vaporize portions of Jerusalem that would prove there is no divine protestion on any piece of real estate or chosen people.
True. And you will probably get your wish. Things have been much too calm, for a very long time, concerning Cataclysms on our Earth. Religion provides collective amnesia of these events, then they become shrouded in mystery and outright falsehood, when recorded, to lull people into a false security.



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Yes, yes, I'm aware of that. According to one astronomer and his computer models we didn't get as much water as we could've.
I meant the Asteroids being made of Ice, probably carrying with it some form of life, colliding with our Earth, creating atmospheric upheaval, producing Clouds causing Rain, over a long period of time.



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I missed that one. What did the show say about fallout blotting out the sunlight and where human populations were concentrated around the world at that time?
They were concentrated around India and thereabouts, in that region. And since according to their (scientists who investigated the event and myth of the biblical flood) findings, the Asteroid fell/slammed into the Indian Ocean, it caused immense Tsunamis, which caused extreme Floods, which killed half of Humanity that lived at that time, about 4800 years ago.

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I'm still more inclined to believe the flood myth dates back to the end of the ice age and rising waters flooding coastal populations.
There was more than one devestating Flood on Planet Earth.



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My point is if a hit occurs in Jerusalem it'd force people to realize that their religion doesn't render them immune to the usual and more apt "shit happens" universe of events.
As I said above...it is highly likely, that you will get your wish. It's time for a change and a somewhat rude awakening from a fantasy existance People have created for themselves, with all kids of Myths and Legends, including Religions and Gods.
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