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Old 04-23-2008, 04:19 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I told you before, we know where atoms come from - subatomic particles held together by nuclear and electromagnetic forces.
That is not where they come from. That is just another designed structure that is part of the atom that demonstrates its intelligent design.
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He took it back after they sinned. Another perfect decision.
Then when he gave it to them in the first place, they had never sinned? If they had never sinned, they didn't need the salvation of Jesus. Further, when God chose them, didn't he know that they were going to sin? How perfect is a God that fails to understand human nature?
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That is not where they come from. That is just another designed structure that is part of the atom that demonstrates its intelligent design.
Where did God come from? Who designed God?
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Old 04-23-2008, 06:20 PM   #44 (permalink)
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That is not where they come from. That is just another designed structure that is part of the atom that demonstrates its intelligent design.
Huh? We can observe subatomic particles in the lab. Well, most of them, anyway. We can tell how they interact and form atoms. There is no need for design, intelligent or not.
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Then when he gave it to them in the first place, they had never sinned? If they had never sinned, they didn't need the salvation of Jesus. Further, when God chose them, didn't he know that they were going to sin? How perfect is a God that fails to understand human nature?
God created humans. He perfectly understands human nature for he place it in humans.

Adam and Eve were chosen too and they fell. God could pick them as his chosen people even though they had sinned. Prophecy must be fulfilled and his son had to come through that people. They had free will and did not HAVE to sin.
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Where did God come from? Who designed God?
God always has been.
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Huh? We can observe subatomic particles in the lab. Well, most of them, anyway. We can tell how they interact and form atoms. There is no need for design, intelligent or not.
Huh? We have just scratched the surface of subatomic particles. They go on forever.
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Then God's choice of the Jews as his chosen people was the perfect choice to make. As such, his choice still stands.
Well...that's what I thought....the Jews always were/are/will be God's chosen People.


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He took it back after they sinned. Another perfect decision.
Do you just make all this stuff up as you go along?? Because when it comes to sinning, the Christians are really good at it. Matter of fact...they whine about being Sinners constantly!
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God always has been.
Why don't you just say: "I Am God" and get it over with!?
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Well...that's what I thought....the Jews always were/are/will be God's chosen People.

Do you just make all this stuff up as you go along?? Because when it comes to sinning, the Christians are really good at it. Matter of fact...they whine about being Sinners constantly!
Right. Our imperfect behavior frustrates us. Completely. Because we want to completely please God but because we are fallen and imperfect, do not have the capacity to have perfect behavior.
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