BillCosby

lol........... I am all over the lot.... I have been wanting to investage this here for a while......... I was not sure on exactly how to go about it as it is a huge Pandora's box...........

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BillCosby

Well it is more than that... Breeding a horse & donkey got you a sterile ass......... (SOme similar/related fruits & flowers. ~shrug~ )

Now they can cross rats & jellyfish..... Dogs & mustard greens...........

They are crossing all kinds of shit (things that would not naturally occur in nature) & what it will do to the environment is anyones guess....... If they cross this shit up the pollen will/does enter the ecosystem w/ unknown results.. It may take several generations to know, if ever, what it could have done.........

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BillCosby

Well the same questions will need to be addressed for ppl someday I am afraid.......

If they do this & own an animal what about a person???

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The_Heretic

We are. Many of our behaviors are indistinguishable from animal behaviors. We don't think that's the case because they manifest in how we make or use tools, but they in fact are.

This asumes our society is incapable of reformation. If that were true Black people would still be in chains and American Indians would've all died.

You're reaching for the worst case scenarior without even considering the positives. Just based on averages I'd disagree.

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The_Heretic

Ecologically, the risks are greater, but so too are the benefits. It means we just have to be more careful. But morally it's really the same. Some domesticates have inflicted huge disasters onto the environment, but others haven't and still managed to improve lives. Genetic engineering has the same duel nature only to a larger degree.

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BillCosby

Yes that seems so...... But we don't know the risks......... That is the scary thing........

Now the moral thing comes in/hits home when it is not just plants & the risks about fucking up unknown insects & such... ALthough I believe that is certainly an issue both moral & ethical........... & again whose consequences may not be known for some time...

A few thoughts/playing GOD


Example that: Designer babies anyone-Say Monsanto can go in & fix a genetic disorder for $X.XXX.......... What parent wouldn't want that....???

Hopefully you got the money or insurance will pay......(I am sure parents would be willing to pay alot here...) & the long term effect of fixing one thing could fuck up another & not show up for generations....

What if you just want a bigger kid.. A prettier daughter. Or just boys??? Made to order little bouncing balls of perfection........

What if some anti-social parents don't wanna designer kid???? Is the insurance company going to pay to fix their teeth. GLasses or that rare disease junior has that couldA" been fixed/prevented if you only purchased that Monsanto gene.......???

Are the parents unwilling or unable to purchase the Monsanto fix w/ its unknown long term effects going to be condemning their offspring??

Or if there is some problem two, three generations down are they then going to be @ fault for causing these problems????

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The_Heretic

Who's we? I know the risks and I'm not even a geneticist. The CDC has a list of rules for genetically engineered organisms and their confinement from natural populations.

The apeman has been playing god for two million years [oldest traces of a cooking fire]. Every discovery or invention is the work of godlike thinking by we talking apes.

As for designer children we should be so lucky. Not only new children, but those already born could be augmented with genes which code for enzymes that produce valuable amino acids and vitamins. Gene insertion to enhance people's immune systems thus truly defeated malaria, typhus, dysentary and other diseases which kill a major fraction of third world children.

You're still assuming a negative-only scenario. That's not even realistic.

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BillCosby

I am not assuming that or anything.. It is a question to the long term consequences of these actions/options.........

You are all on board for designer kids. Fine one day when you have kids keep it in mind......... But also keep in mind that that it has not been tested on ppl for generation after generation...... Hopefully your great, great grandchildren will also believe you made the right choice...

There are obvious upsides for ppl & Monsanto............ It is the unknown downside that is overlooked.............

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Malkavian

I support patents for processes used to discover genes/manipulate the genes. Not so much for the genes themselves, unless those were fully engineered and designed in the lab.

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Malkavian

Genetically modified humans are something to look forward to, imo. Plus, i believe it is inevitable, short of genocide.

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