mentor

Believing in religious nonsense sets one up for brain dysfunction.

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brian_wilbanks

It just seems to me that when someone believes that they know the mind of god, they become a ticking time bomb of misplaced judgement.

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Environment Man

Please. It can provide comfort to even the demented mind.

Environment Man

No. An informed believer knows justice and injustice, good and evil. Our morals are absolute. Murder is wrong period.

brian_wilbanks

But they're not absolute.

You have no problem with murder as long as it's carried out in an execution chamber or a battlefield.

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Environment Man

That is not murder. That is the execution of justice though the distinction might be debatable. One man's justice [Hitler] is another man's murder.

World War II was an easy call. Vietnam and Iraq not so easy.

Capital punishment is justice applied. God even approved it for his son.

brian_wilbanks

If the condemned was wrongly convicted, then it IS murder. No matter how you twist it or sprinkle it with jesus dust....it's murder.

I still consider capital punishment to be a form of murder simply because it's barbaric.

But I myself cannot see how a christian would consider execution to be a form of punishment. Lets assume that a man on death row finds jesus and truly accepts christ as his savior. He has asked forgiveness for his crime fromt he victims family and they have given him their blessing. So when the govt straps him down and kills him, he isn't being punished....he's going to be with jesus....in fact, he's actually happy with what's happening to him...so it's not punishment.

Capital punishment is simply about revenge IMO, and I guess that's fine. I just dont like the idea of the govt taking peoples lives in such a cold and calculated fashion. Which is why I suggest that if a person is to be executed, the burden should be on the shoulders of the victims family. They should be the one who has to pull the trigger.

And I dont mean it as some sort of option either. It should be mandatory....either pull the trigger or give him life.

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Environment Man

Well the taking of a life IS barbaric.

Well justice must be served. Justice hopefully derived from the instructions of God. I kind of agree with the family suggestion you make except that does not address justice in that the person murdered is the injured party. Justice must equalize that injustice. But most families would fry the aggressor. I would.

Well government doing it is not perfect for sure, but it is as good an institution as any. Sure would not want to contract it out to Blackwater. I would also happily pull the trigger for the murder of a relative.


I agree.

LeisureChrist

Does the name "Andrea Yates" ring a bell?

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LeisureChrist

The "State" is a fiction. It is a collection of citizens acting as decision makers from all citizens. When the State decides to kill somebody, it's just people deciding that another person is unworthy of life. When a leader declares war on another people, he is deciding that the lives of those people are meaningless.

When you call Shrubya a hero for ordering the deaths of 500,000 human beings, you are putting a man's commands above God's Commandment. When you agree that the State can execute criminals, you worship the State above God.

If there is a God, and he wants somebody to die, they will. God needs no help from the likes of you and me to decide what is just.

Pissing on the mentally ill is wrong... Period.

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