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All I can find at the moment is 'Scottish Legend".

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Templar and Masonic connections
The chapel, built 150 years after the dissolution of the Knights Templar, supposedly has many Templar symbols, such as the "Two riders on a single horse" that appear on the Seal of the Knights Templar.
The claim that the layout of Rosslyn Chapel echoes that of Solomon's Temple [12] has been analysed by Mark Oxbrow and Ian Robertson in their book, Rosslyn and the Grail:

Rosslyn Chapel bears no more resemblance to Solomon's or Herod's Temple than a house brick does to a paperback book. If you superimpose the floor plans of Rosslyn Chapel and either Solomon's or Herod's Temple, you will find actually find that they are not even remotely similar. Writers admit that the chapel is far smaller than either of the temples. They freely scale the plans up or down in an attempt to fit them together. What they actually find are no significant similarities at all. [...] If you superimpose the floor plans of Rosslyn Chapel and the East Quire of Glasgow Cathedral you will find a startling match: the four walls of both buildings fit precisely. The East Quire of Glasgow is larger than Rosslyn, but the designs of these two medieval Scottish buildings are virtually identical. They both have the same number of windows and the same number of pillars in the same configuration. [...] The similarity between Rosslyn Chapel and Glasgow's East Quire is well established. Andrew Kemp noted that 'the entire plan of this Chapel corresponds to a large extent with the choir of Glasgow Cathedral' as far back as 1877 in the Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries. Many alternative history writers are well aware of this but fail to mention it in their books.[13]

With regards to a possible connection between the St. Clairs and the Knights Templar, the family testified against the Templars when that Order was put on trial in Edinburgh in 1309.[14] Historian Dr. Louise Yeoman, along with other mediaeval scholars, says the Knights Templar connection is false, and points out that Rosslyn Chapel was built by William Sinclair so that Mass could be said for the souls of his family.[15]
It is also claimed that other carvings in the chapel reflect Masonic imagery, such as the way that hands are placed in various figures. One carving may show a blindfolded man being led forward with a noose around his neck -- similar to the way a candidate is prepared for initiation into Freemasonry. The carving has been eroded by time and pollution and is difficult to make out clearly. The chapel was built in the 15th century, and the earliest records of Freemasonic lodges date back only to the late 16th and early 17th centuries.[16]
William Sinclair 3rd Earl of Orkney, Baron of Roslin and 1st Earl of Caithness, claimed by novelists to be a hereditary Grand Master of the Scottish stone masons, built Rosslyn Chapel.[12] A later William Sinclair of Roslin became the first Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland and, subsequently, several other members of the Sinclair family have held this position.[17]
These connections, to both the Templars and the Freemasons, means that Rosslyn features prominently in romantic conjectures that the Freemasons are direct descendants of the Knights Templar, though, as scholars point out, there is absolutely no historical connection between the two.

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Alternative histories involving Rosslyn Chapel and the Sinclairs have recently been published by Andrew Sinclair and Timothy Wallace-Murphy arguing links with the Knights Templar and the supposed descendants of Jesus Christ. The books in particular by Timothy Wallace-Murphy Rex Deus: The True Mystery of Rennes-le-Château And The Dynasty of Jesus (2000) and Custodians Of Truth: The Continuance Of Rex Deus (2005) have focused on the hypothetical Jesus bloodline with the Sinclairs and Rosslyn Chapel. On the ABC documentary Jesus, Mary and Da Vinci aired on 3 November 2003 Niven Sinclair hinted that the descendants of Jesus Christ existed within the Sinclair families. These alternative histories are relatively modern - not dating back before the early 1990s. The precursor to these Rosslyn theories is the 1982 book The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln that introduced the theory of the Jesus Christ bloodline in relation to the Priory of Sion - the main protagonist of which was Pierre Plantard, who for a time adopted the name Pierre Plantard de Saint-Clair.

Fictional references

The Chapel is a major feature in the last part of Dan Brown's 2003 novel The Da Vinci Code, though many incorrect assertions were made about the structure. For example, Brown's book states that the Chapel was built by the Knights Templar, and contains a six-pointed Star of David worn into the stone floor although no such star is present. Many sources say that Brown never visited the Chapel until after the publication of his book,and most of his material came from previously published material.
Another claim from The Da Vinci Code is that the name "Rosslyn" is a form of the term Rose Line, and that a line starting in France also runs through the Chapel, however scholars point out that the name "Rosslyn" is most likely derived from two Celtic words: "ros", meaning promontory or point, and "lyn", meaning waterfall.[18]

Heretic

Look, it wouldn't be the first time France claimed to be the final destonation of ancient evacs. They still think Helen of Troy and other Trojans escaped to what would be modernday France as Aggamemnon's forces stormed the place.

That lost tomb of Jesus find? While the names in the tomb are common the place within the family those names hold are a hundred million to one possibility of being a different Jesus & Co. from the new testament Jesus. Probably part of the reason the Israeli government ordered the exumation of the tomb to stop and the tomb to be sealed. They didn't want to offend Christians worldwide. The Israelis got their hands full as it is.

So basically Jesus lived and died an ordinary human life. He's definitely a first century civil rights leader [aiming his work and words mostly at the Romans, not Judaism or ALL its high priests] and one of the era's more influential rabbis. But court appointed messiah he is not.

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MarkMiller

Well that is conjecture as nothing has been proven....and the names were far more common than I guess you think. My name is extremely common...I didn't know it, but Mark Miller is the German John Smith....and I'm not German, LOL!

MarkMiller

Found it.

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This article is about the Romani saint. For other saints of that name, see Saint Sarah (disambiguation).

Saint Sarah, also known as Sara-la-Kali ("Sara the black", Romani: Sara e Kali), is the mythic patron saint of the Roma (Gypsy) people. The center of her veneration is Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer, a place of pilgrimage for Roma in the Camargue, in southern France. Legend identifies her as the servant of one of the Three Marys, with whom she is supposed to have arrived in the Camargue.[1]
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Interior of the shrine of Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer


According to various legends, during a persecution of early Christians, commonly placed in the year 42, Lazarus, his sisters Mary Magdalene and Martha, Mary Salome (the mother of the Apostles John and James), Mary Jacobe and Saint Maximin were sent out to sea in a boat. They arrived safely on the southern shore of Gaul at the place later called Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer. In some accounts Sarah, a native of Upper Egypt, appears as the black Egyptian maid of one of the Three Marys, usually Mary Jacobe.[2]
Though the tradition of the Three Marys arriving in France stems from the high middle ages, appearing for instance in the 13th century Golden Legend, Saint Sarah makes her first appearance in Vincent Philippon's book The Legend of the Saintes-Maries (1521), where she portrayed as "a charitable woman that helped people by collecting alms, which led to the popular belief that she was a Gypsy." Subsequently, Sarah was adopted by Roma as their saint.[3]
Another account has Sarah welcoming the Three Marys into Gaul. Franz de Ville (1956) writes:

One of our people who received the first Revelation was Sara the Kali. She was of noble birth and was chief of her tribe on the banks of the Rhône. She knew the secrets that had been transmitted to her... The Rom at that period practiced a polytheistic religion, and once a year they took out on their shoulders the statue of Ishtari (

MarkMiller

Hmmmmmm. Maybe Jesus was black.

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Everything uncovered to that point showed it was Jesus' family tomb.

I'm going to repeat my above state with the relevant part in huge bold print.

Joseph as the father, James as the brother, one Mary as the mother, a second Mary who's not related by blood, but in the family tomb and Jesus as also a son of Joseph. That's a 1/100,000,000 chance of being anyone else other than the new testament family of Jesus.

The Lost Tomb of Jesus: Discovery Channel

Skip to the part where the statitician works out the math. Also note that they never claim the name weren't common.

It was an open and [almost] shut case before the tomb was ordered sealed. Originally one department of the Israeli government allowed the dig, but then was overruled by another department after international Chrstian outrage at the work.

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MarkMiller

Showed it yes....they very much attempt to "show" this as the tomb of the Historic figure we know as Jesus. But there truely is nothing in the documentary that proves any of the claims. In fact there are experts that doubt the marking made on the sarcofigus are authentic.

Where are you getting this figure? How can you validate it as factual. It's like saying there was only one family with those very names. How hard is it to believe a none blood related Mary could be buried with those names. Jesus is still common is mexico....we just don't pronounce it as such.

It was never an open and shut case.

Answer me this...why would a devout member of Judaism (the Jewish faith) try to proove jesus was just a man. Hmmmmm.

Heretic

As far as the work went, in does in fact support the claim.

Wrong. Only Christian "experts" [with strong vested interests in disproving it] have argued against it. But none of them proved their counterclaims.

So you're not willing to watch the documentary? It's all in there. The statitician explains the math in full detail and even knocked down his numbers to a fourth [meaning his original work would've been 1/400,000,000] just to be fair.

ALMOST shut. I made that clear to read. But the dig was ordered sealed despite the fact it was perfectly safe to work in.

No offense but I honeslty don't care.

Your religion is your business and you have a right to it.

There were a few Christian archeologists who said the tomb might well be proved valid if reopened and work continued.

The Israeli government decided they didn't want to get sucked into a huge theological fight, and so took an easy out [not so as anyone could really blame them].

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MarkMiller

You use the same point I was making about the archeologist Simcha Jacobovici having a very narrow world and Historic view when you said

"Only Christian "experts" [with strong vested interests in disproving it] have argued against it. But none of them proved their counterclaims."

I am simply saying that same thing. Jacobovici has the same vested interest as a "Jewish" expert.

I watched this show several times, visited the site and looked into as much as i could find when it came out.....we have actually had this conversation before! LOL!

I personly doubt that Jesus was devine and this thread is to debate the ideals surrounding his divinity.....or his teaching that we are all the son of god. Faith is personal. I hold nothing against anyone for what they choose to believe.....I like this debate.

Hey.......somebody has to play "Devils" advocate. (Pun intended...and used with you before on this convo I think)