Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything - Page 2

LeisureChrist · 11-18-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken in Berkeley

An interesting theory. Did you read that somewhere or are you speculating on your own that gravity is not a fundamental force?

I have a theory that I'm working out. If it pans out it will, among others things, redefine the nature of inertia and provide a new explanation for the relativistics effects of near-light and trans-light velocities.

I am not actually schooled in physics. But because I find it fascinating, I study it a bit on my own.

LeisureChrist · 11-18-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

I suspect gravity is merely the effect of the interaction between the gravitational force and the electro-magnet spectrum. Trying to fit it in as cause rather than an effect is a big mistake.

Hey, Leisure X! Where ya been?

I took advantage of the evaporation of the old forum to focus on my latest stage production. Good thing, too... I ended up having to play the lead after our leading man dropped out of the show just three days before curtain. I also hammered out a script for a short film I'm going to try to get shot in the early part of 08.

What have you been up to?

jowey · 11-20-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

Magnitic and electrical fields, when unified become electromagnetic, which includes visible light. When a photon travels its path it's via two wave forms simultaneously with the quantim appearing at points along the path.

But what are the fields ?

Recent pictures of the Sun's solar flares are interpreted as magnetic fields snapping, throwing plasma into space. This is caused by the rotation twisting magnetic fields.

Are these fields also distortions of space ? I fear that the answer would require that I go back to school, but I have wondered about these fields.

The_Heretic · 11-20-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jowey

But what are the fields ?

Recent pictures of the Sun's solar flares are interpreted as magnetic fields snapping, throwing plasma into space. This is caused by the rotation twisting magnetic fields.

Are these fields also distortions of space ? I fear that the answer would require that I go back to school, but I have wondered about these fields.

I'm not sure anyone knows what magnetic fields are, but- to date I don't think there's a working theory that they're spacial distrtions. If they are it would be simple to see if they exert or alter gravitation. If that's the case I'm betting the effect is so minor as to be impossible to detect with today's instrumentation. In my science fiction novels I do work with the idea that magnetic fields can distort space the same way the gravity from matter does, thereby allowing a bubble of a spacial sheer to be created, and then letting the sheer-bubble move instead of the vessel within.

LeisureChrist · 11-21-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

I'm not sure anyone knows what magnetic fields are, but- to date I don't think there's a working theory that they're spacial distrtions. If they are it would be simple to see if they exert or alter gravitation. If that's the case I'm betting the effect is so minor as to be impossible to detect with today's instrumentation. In my science fiction novels I do work with the idea that magnetic fields can distort space the same way the gravity from matter does, thereby allowing a bubble of a spacial sheer to be created, and then letting the sheer-bubble move instead of the vessel within.

What we think of as gravity is, in and of itself, spatial distortion. Anything that has a rest mass of greater than zero will curve space-time toward itself it accordance with its mass and its velocity. This is a big part of why I do not regard gravity as being a fundamental force...It has no direct effect on matter, but rather on the space-time through which matter moves. The reason you come down when you jump up is not because the Earth is pulling on you. It is because the space-time through which you are jumping is curved much more towards the Earth's mass than it is towards your mass. We tend not to notice this because we observe the phenomenon using light and light, too, follows along the manifold curves of the space-time continuum. This is why good science fiction generally uses some means of stepping outside of normal space-time in order to circumvent the speed of light. By travelling in a straight line while space-time is curved, one can reach a destination before light would, while never exceeding light-speed locally.

The_Heretic · 11-22-2007, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LeisureChrist

What we think of as gravity is, in and of itself, spatial distortion. Anything that has a rest mass of greater than zero will curve space-time toward itself it accordance with its mass and its velocity. This is a big part of why I do not regard gravity as being a fundamental force...It has no direct effect on matter, but rather on the space-time through which matter moves. The reason you come down when you jump up is not because the Earth is pulling on you. It is because the space-time through which you are jumping is curved much more towards the Earth's mass than it is towards your mass. We tend not to notice this because we observe the phenomenon using light and light, too, follows along the manifold curves of the space-time continuum. This is why good science fiction generally uses some means of stepping outside of normal space-time in order to circumvent the speed of light. By travelling in a straight line while space-time is curved, one can reach a destination before light would, while never exceeding light-speed locally.

I'm aware of the reason gravity works. However, what I describe is ensuring the sheer occurs not at a central point, as with a quantum singularity, but away from the center, thus keeping the objected intended to be moved unaffected or minimally affected by the distortion. But the concept of stepping "outside normal space" wasn't well thought out in science fiction and is dependent on an "outside" that no one's proven exists, ergo is a lot to hedge a bet on. It's why I always avoided the idea myself. At best you can expect a tesseract, but that's just bending space in this universe.

jowey · 11-22-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

I'm not sure anyone knows what magnetic fields are, but- to date I don't think there's a working theory that they're spacial distrtions. If they are it would be simple to see if they exert or alter gravitation. If that's the case I'm betting the effect is so minor as to be impossible to detect with today's instrumentation. In my science fiction novels I do work with the idea that magnetic fields can distort space the same way the gravity from matter does, thereby allowing a bubble of a spacial sheer to be created, and then letting the sheer-bubble move instead of the vessel within.

It is interesting that the magnetic fields get twisted and broken by the Sun's rotation. I wonder about a sphere with a static electric charge, rotating - could those fields be broken also ?

The_Heretic · 11-22-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jowey

It is interesting that the magnetic fields get twisted and broken by the Sun's rotation. I wonder about a sphere with a static electric charge, rotating - could those fields be broken also ?

The rotation serves as an electromagnetic, I imagine it demends on how much mass is rotating however fast and what other energy is there.

jowey · 11-24-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

The rotation serves as an electromagnetic, I imagine it demends on how much mass is rotating however fast and what other energy is there.

Yeah, the currents in the plasma generate magnetic fields - huge electromagnet. The observations that these fields "break", guess they snap back after being inflated, they also connect to different strands.....

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ap_000622.html

Just curious about the fields themselves....

The_Heretic · 11-24-2007, 05:00 PM

Well, if you figure out what a magnetic field line is composed of there's a big juicy Nobel Prize waiting you. Even Michael Ferraday had a hard time on it.

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