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Old 11-20-2007, 08:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ordinary skin provides stem cells

Ordinary skin provides stem cells


MALCOLM RITTER
The Associated Press
November 20, 2007 at 9:23 AM EST

NEW YORK — Scientists have made ordinary skin cells take on the chameleon-like powers of embryonic stem cells, a startling breakthrough that might some day deliver the medical payoffs of embryo cloning without the controversy.
Laboratory teams on two continents report success in a pair of landmark papers to be released Tuesday. It's a neck-and-neck finish to a race that made headlines five months ago, when scientists announced that the feat had been accomplished in mice.
The “direct reprogramming” technique avoids the swarm of ethical, political and practical obstacles that have stymied attempts to produce human stem cells by cloning embryos.
Scientists familiar with the work said that scientific questions remain and that it is still important to pursue the cloning strategy, but that the new work is a major coup.

This photo provided by the University of Wisconsin-Madison shows developmental biologist and professor of anatomy James Thomson looking at a stem-cell culture in the university's Thomson lab . (Jeff Miller, University of Wisconsin-Madison/The Associated Press)


“This work represents a tremendous scientific milestone – the biological equivalent of the Wright Brothers' first airplane,” said Dr. Robert Lanza, chief science officer of Advanced Cell Technology, which has been trying to extract stem cells from cloned human embryos.
“It's a bit like learning how to turn lead into gold,” said Dr. Lanza, while cautioning that the work is far from providing medical payoffs.
“It's a huge deal,” said Rudolf Jaenisch, a prominent stem-cell scientist at the Whitehead Institute in Cambridge, Mass. “You have the proof of principle that you can do it.”
There is a catch. At this point, the technique requires disrupting the DNA of the skin cells, which creates the potential for developing cancer. So it would be unacceptable for the most touted use of embryonic cells: creating transplant tissue that in theory could be used to treat diseases like diabetes, Parkinson's, and spinal cord injury.
But the DNA disruption is just a byproduct of the technique, and experts said they believe that can be avoided.
The new work is being published online by two journals, Cell and Science. The Cell paper is from a team led by Dr. Shinya Yamanaka of Kyoto University; the Science paper is from a team led by Junying Yu, working in the laboratory of stem-cell pioneer James Thomson of the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
Both reported creating cells that behaved like stem cells in a series of lab tests.
Dr. Thomson, 48, made headlines in 1998 when he announced that his team had isolated human embryonic stem cells.
Dr. Yamanaka gained scientific notice in 2006 by reporting that direct reprogramming in mice had produced cells resembling embryonic stem cells, although with significant differences. In June, his group and two others announced that they had created mouse cells that were virtually indistinguishable from stem cells.
For the new work, the two men chose different cell types from a tissue supplier. Dr. Yamanaka reprogrammed skin cells from the face of an unidentified 36-year-old woman, and Dr. Thomson's team worked with foreskin cells from an infant. Dr. Thomson, who was working his way from embryonic to fetal to adult cells, said he is still analyzing his results with adult cells.
Both labs did basically the same thing. Each used viruses to ferry four genes into the skin cells. These particular genes were known to turn other genes on and off, but just how they produced cells that mimic embryonic stem cells is a mystery.
“People didn't know it would be this easy,” Dr. Thomson said. “Thousands of labs in the United States can do this, basically tomorrow.”
The Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation, which holds three patents for Dr. Thomson's work, is applying for patents involving his new research, a spokeswoman said. Two of the four genes he used were different from Dr. Yamanaka's recipe.
Scientists prize embryonic stem cells because they can turn into virtually any kind of cell in the body. The cloning approach – which so far has worked only in mice and monkeys – should be able to produce stem cells that genetically match the person who donates body cells for cloning.
That means tissue made from the cells should be transplantable into that person without fear of rejection. Scientists emphasize that any such payoff would be well in the future, and that the more immediate medical benefits would come from basic research in the lab.
In fact, many scientists say the cloning technique has proven too expensive and cumbersome in its current form to produce stem cells routinely for transplants.
The new work shows that the direct reprogramming technique can also produce versatile cells that are genetically matched to a person. But it avoids several problems that have bedeviled the cloning approach.
For one thing, it does not require a supply of unfertilized human eggs, which are hard to obtain for research and which subject the women donating them to a surgical procedure. Using eggs also raises the ethical questions of whether women should be paid for them.
In cloning, those eggs are used to make embryos from which stem cells are harvested. But that destroys the embryos, which has led to political opposition from U.S. President George W. Bush, the Roman Catholic church and others.
Those were “show-stopping ethical problems,” said Laurie Zoloth, director of Northwestern University's Center for Bioethics, Science and Society.
The new work, she said, “redefines the ethical terrain.”
Richard Doerflinger, deputy director of antiabortion activities for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, called the new work “a very significant breakthrough in finding morally unproblematic alternatives to cloning. ... I think this is something that would be readily acceptable to Catholics.”
Another advantage of direct reprogramming is that it would qualify for federal research funding, unlike projects that seek to extract stem cells from human embryos, noted Doug Melton, co-director of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute.
Still, scientific questions remain about the cells produced by direct reprogramming, called “iPS” cells. One is how the cells compare to embryonic stem cells in their behaviour and potential. Dr. Yamanaka said his work detected differences in gene activity.
If they are different, iPS cells might prove better for some scientific uses and cloned stem cells preferable for other uses. Scientists want to study the roots of genetic disease and screen potential drug treatments in their laboratories, for example.
Scottish researcher Ian Wilmut, famous for his role in cloning Dolly the sheep a decade ago, told London's Daily Telegraph that he is giving up the cloning to produce stem cells and plans to pursue direct reprogramming instead.
Other scientists said it is too early for the field to follow Dr. Wilmut's lead. Cloning embryos to produce stem cells remains too valuable as a research tool, Dr. Jaenisch said.
Dr. George Daley of the Harvard institute, who said his own lab has also achieved direct reprogramming of human cells, said it's not clear how long it will take to get around the cancer risk problem. Nor is it clear just how direct reprogramming works, or whether that approach mimics what happens in cloning, he noted.
So the cloning approach still has much to offer, he said.
Dr. Daley, president of the International Society for Stem Cell Research, said his lab is pursuing both strategies.
“We'll see, ultimately, which one works and which one is more practical.”

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Old 11-20-2007, 11:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Zimmy, always posting the good articles...
I read this last week and found it one of the most amazing, yet scary
things to happen lately. We could very well be a few years away from living forever. Look out social security!


Monkey Embryos Cloned for Stem Cells

By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 15, 2007; Page A01

Researchers in Oregon reported yesterday that they had created the world's first fully formed, cloned monkey embryos and harvested batches of stem cells from them -- a feat that, if replicated in people, could allow production of replacement tissues or organs with no risk of rejection.

Successful creation of the cloned embryos, each from a single monkey skin cell, effectively settles a long-standing scientific debate about whether primates -- the taxonomic grouping that includes monkeys and people -- are biologically incapable of being cloned, as some had come to believe after years of failures.

That fact alone could reinvigorate a stalled congressional battle over whether restrictions on human embryo cloning should be tightened or loosened. Currently, such work is legal with private funds but off-limits to federally funded scientists.

The Oregon researchers did not transfer the embryos to female monkeys' wombs to grow into full-blown clones, as has been done with several other species. The scientists destroyed them to retrieve the embryonic stem cells growing inside.

Those cells can morph into every kind of cell and tissue in the body, and the Oregon team has already coaxed theirs to become monkey nerves and heart cells that spontaneously beat in unison in a lab dish.

Because the stem cells were grown from cloned embryos, those cells are genetically matched to the monkey that donated the initial skin cells. That means that any tissues or organs grown from them could be transplanted into that monkey without the need for immune-suppressing drugs.

"We only work with monkeys," said Shoukhrat Mitalipov, who led the research at the Oregon National Primate Research Center in Beaverton. "But we hope the technology we developed will be useful for other laboratories working on human subjects."
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Zim, did you want this to be a morality debate or something?
No one is buying in. Hmmmm....
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Hmm... i'd use hair stem cells directly to cure neural diseases.
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I'm still up in the air over stem cells. Are we supposed to interfere like this in the first place? We humans are over populated to begin with. I suffer from several illnesses, but maybe we are not supposed to find cures. Nature has it's way of controlling populations with diseases. Keeping people comfortable is one thing, but maybe we shouldn't be so insecure about having illnesses and disabilities. Ae we asking too much from our own species and using other species to experiment on?
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I'm still up in the air over stem cells. Are we supposed to interfere like this in the first place? We humans are over populated to begin with. I suffer from several illnesses, but maybe we are not supposed to find cures. Nature has it's way of controlling populations with diseases. Keeping people comfortable is one thing, but maybe we shouldn't be so insecure about having illnesses and disabilities. Ae we asking too much from our own species and using other species to experiment on?
Agreed gorilla, but is there any feasible way that legislation can stop the progression of the science? I think it will continue despite objection.
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Ae we asking too much from our own species and using other species to experiment on?
Well, we are using them for food...
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Zim, did you want this to be a morality debate or something?
No one is buying in. Hmmmm....
Morality? Not at all. I'm all for embryonic stem cell research. Hell if it were up to me I'd have raised the age limit of research to whiney 3 year olds.

I just thought it was an amazing find.
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I'm still up in the air over stem cells. Are we supposed to interfere like this in the first place? We humans are over populated to begin with. I suffer from several illnesses, but maybe we are not supposed to find cures. Nature has it's way of controlling populations with diseases. Keeping people comfortable is one thing, but maybe we shouldn't be so insecure about having illnesses and disabilities. Ae we asking too much from our own species and using other species to experiment on?
Think it is time for another step in our evolution, if we are going to step off this planet we need all the advantage/knowledge that we can muster. We just have to do better at taking care of our populations - besides killing them off.
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Well, we are using them for food...
As are other animals in the wild for survival. This earth is nothing more than one big recycle bin. It's how we do it that is in question.
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