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Old 12-13-2007, 12:26 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The ice of the north pole isn't likely to contain microbes more than a few thousand or, possibly hundreds of thousands of years old. Bare in mind that even in normal global average temperatures some of the floating ice sheet melts, and even that which persists through the summer will melt a little on the underside while weather adds new layers on top.

Now the Antarctic is another matter entirely. There are glaciers and immobile ice sheets that are a couple miles thick and due to low precipitation are hundreds of thousands to millions of years old. It'd be less dramatic than John Carpenter's The Thing, but still something to consider.
It's the algae that concerns me.
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Imagine if there's life in that ocean; life that evolved with complete independence of solar energy and phtosynthetic producers organisms.
This was my first thought also... but then, I'm also rediscovering Jules Verne.
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It's the algae that concerns me.
You mean ancient strains of algae?
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You mean ancient strains of algae?
Yes, something that thrives in a warmer climate, say 6 or so degrees warmer then the current average. Of course, we are once again roaming into science fiction here, but what if a strain of algae, or fungus for that matter, could survive a long-term deep-freeze?
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Yes, something that thrives in a warmer climate, say 6 or so degrees warmer then the current average. Of course, we are once again roaming into science fiction here, but what if a strain of algae, or fungus for that matter, could survive a long-term deep-freeze?
In the case of more resiliant algae it wouldn't be fiction. However, all the fungi are waiting for is for the solar light to go out for a week or two. Once that happened they'd go berserk in their growth, taking over all ecosystems completely, and then give up all that ground as the sun shone again. The only bugger of it is what to eat while the lights are out, and which of those fungis won't kill you stone dead either by ingestion or simply inhaling spores.
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In the case of more resiliant algae it wouldn't be fiction. However, all the fungi are waiting for is for the solar light to go out for a week or two. Once that happened they'd go berserk in their growth, taking over all ecosystems completely, and then give up all that ground as the sun shone again. The only bugger of it is what to eat while the lights are out, and which of those fungis won't kill you stone dead either by ingestion or simply inhaling spores.
But, what if Alison Algae from 100 million years ago, meets up with Freddy Fungus from whenever, and they take a lichen to each other?

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But, what if Alison Algae from 100 million years ago, meets up with Freddy Fungus from whenever, and they take a lichen to each other?

ba-dump-bump-tssssh
Baaad!

However if each operated independent of each other before they likely would hold to that course. The greater bacterial/algal risk is a series of random mutations leading to a metabolic pathway so different from anything today that it becomes a complete toxic factor yet still has deadly advantages to anything currently established. Unlikely to the extreme, but still something more probable than the ancient algae.
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Okay what would happen if red fluorescent cat gets it on with ancient thawed saber kitty......
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Okay what would happen if red fluorescent cat gets it on with ancient thawed saber kitty......
I'm betting those kitties would end up on the menu. Though the saber tooth might do a doubletake beforehand.

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I'm betting those kitties would end up on the menu. Though the saber tooth might do a doubletake beforehand.

Probably it is interesting that they created a "Glow Kitty"....
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