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    Land Of the Free?

    Land of the free?
    May 8th 2008
    From The Economist print edition

    Liberty in America is not quite as revered as its leaders pretend

    NO OTHER country puts as much emphasis on “freedom” as the United States. Patrick Henry demanded “liberty or death”. The national anthem calls America “the land of the free”. Great reformers from Abraham Lincoln to Martin Luther King have urged America to live up to its ideal of “freedom”. When a group of French Americanophiles wanted to flatter the United States, they sent the Statue of Liberty.

    And no other country boasts as much about its mission to give freedom to the rest of the world. Woodrow Wilson thought that he had a God-given duty to bring liberty to mankind. George Bush regards his foreign policy as a crusade for freedom—“the right and hope of all humanity”.

    But how good is America at living up to its own ideals? A new study by Freedom House tries to answer this question. The fact that Freedom House has devoted so much attention to the United States is significant in its own right. Founded in 1941 by a group of Americans who were worried about the advance of fascism, Freedom House is now the world's leading watchdog of liberty. The fact that “Today's American: How Free?” is such a thorough piece of work makes it doubly significant.

    The judicious tone of “How Free?” will undoubtedly disappoint leftists. Freedom House bends over backwards to give the authorities the benefit of the doubt. Other countries have recalibrated the balance between freedom and security in the face of terrorists who want to inflict mass casualties on civilians. America's recent sins, however, are minor compared with those of its past. Newspapers have published highly sensitive information without reprisals. Congress and the courts have repeatedly stepped in to restore a more desirable constitutional balance.

    But the verdict on the Bush years is nevertheless sharp. “How Free?” not only details and condemns the administration's familiar sins, from Guantánamo to extraordinary rendition to warrantless wiretapping. It reminds readers of its aversion to open government. The number of documents classified as secret has jumped from 8.7m in 2001 to 14.2m in 2005—a 60% increase over three years. Decade-old information has been reclassified. Researchers report that it is much more difficult and time-consuming to obtain information under the Freedom of Information Act.

    Government whistleblowers have repeatedly been punished or fired—even when they have been trying to expose threats to national security that their bosses preferred to overlook. Richard Levernier had his security clearance revoked for revealing that some of the country's nuclear facilities were not properly secured. Border security agents have been punished for pointing out that the border is inadequately monitored, and airport baggage-handlers and security people for pointing to weaknesses in the security system. The Office of Special Counsel, which was established to enforce laws designed to protect the rights of such people, is widely regarded as “inept and even hostile to whistleblowers”.

    “How Free?” also has some hard things to say about America's criminal-justice system. The incarceration rate exploded from 1.39 per 1,000 in 1980 to 7.5 in 2006, driven, among other things, by the war on drugs. America now has one of the highest rates of imprisonment in the world: 5.6m Americans, or one in every 37 adults, has spent time behind bars. Even though prison-building is one of the country's great growth industries, overcrowding is endemic, with federal prisons operating at 131% of capacity. America is also one of the few countries to ban felons and, in some states, ex-felons from voting. At any one time 4m Americans—one in every 50 adults—is disenfranchised because of past criminal convictions. This includes 1.4m blacks, or 14% of the black male population.

    Freedom House's strictures are, if anything, too soft. America insists on criminalising victimless crimes such as prostitution. Last week Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the so-called DC Madam, committed suicide; the government had thrown the book at her, including racketeering and mail fraud, because it really wished to penalise the arranging of assignations between consenting adults. In her suicide note to her mother she wrote that she could not “live the next six-to-eight years behind bars for what you and I have both come to regard as this 'modern-day lynching'.”

    The wrong lemonade
    The American legal system also seems to have lost any sense of proportion. Christopher Ratte, a professor of archaeology, recently tried to buy his seven-year-old son a bottle of lemonade at a baseball game. He was handed a bottle of Mike's Hard Lemonade, an alcoholic drink, by mistake. Officials noticed the boy sipping the drink and immediately whisked him off to hospital. He was fine. But the family was condemned to legal hell: the police at first put the seven-year-old into a foster home and a judge ruled that he could go home only if his father moved out. It took several days of legal wrangling to reunite the family.

    “How Free?” repeatedly argues, even as it dredges through the most depressing material, that the American system has proved admirably self-correcting. The response of civil-liberties advocates has been swift and dogged. The Supreme Court has forced the administration to extend the Geneva conventions to inmates in Guantánamo and other military prisons. Congress has reined in warrantless wiretapping. The press has repeatedly published leaked material.

    This is perhaps a little optimistic—the courts have been slow and Congress half-hearted. But nevertheless the self-correction is now entering a higher gear. All the current presidential candidates, Democratic and Republican alike, have condemned torture and rendition and declared their desire to close Guantánamo. Freedom House's new publication will be an important contribution to this process of self-correction.


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    Oh beauty,
    Full of greedy fucks
    Who profit from our lives
    Don't give a damn
    About our woes
    Our heartaches or our strifes
    America, America
    What the hell's wrong with you?
    Our greedy gov is smothering
    Us, what are we to do?
    I see the corporate big-wigs make
    Their wallets all the fatter
    By pimping out
    Our hard labor
    Its out lives that don't matter
    America, America
    It's time to take it back
    Before our nation finally snaps
    And we're stuck with the slack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comicsartist View Post
    Oh beauty,
    Full of greedy fucks
    Who profit from our lives
    Don't give a damn
    About our woes
    Our heartaches or our strifes
    America, America
    What the hell's wrong with you?
    Our greedy gov is smothering
    Us, what are we to do?
    I see the corporate big-wigs make
    Their wallets all the fatter
    By pimping out
    Our hard labor
    Its out lives that don't matter
    America, America
    It's time to take it back
    Before our nation finally snaps
    And we're stuck with the slack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comicsartist View Post
    Oh beauty,
    Full of greedy fucks
    Who profit from our lives
    Don't give a damn
    About our woes
    Our heartaches or our strifes
    America, America
    What the hell's wrong with you?
    Our greedy gov is smothering
    Us, what are we to do?
    I see the corporate big-wigs make
    Their wallets all the fatter
    By pimping out
    Our hard labor
    Its out lives that don't matter
    America, America
    It's time to take it back
    Before our nation finally snaps
    And we're stuck with the slack.
    Heavily taxing the rich is great because it punishes for the deadly sin of greed. Like the fat-person food-tax punishes for gluttony. Sort of like righting a wrong.

    The country is immature. Things will improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonesy View Post
    Heavily taxing the rich is great because it punishes for the deadly sin of greed. Like the fat-person food-tax punishes for gluttony. Sort of like righting a wrong.

    The country is immature. Things will improve.
    I'm sure it will. As soon as the yuppie f**ks who bought into the Reagan myth start dying by the boatloads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRS112 View Post
    originally posted by CosmicRocker
    Manifest Destiney is not the same as building an empire.
    We were carving out a nation, not colonizing
    He actually posted that genocidal noise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Heretic View Post
    He actually posted that genocidal noise?
    by winthrop:
    Manifest Destiny all but required we take land by force, with displacement
    of the indigenous peoples being, to many of our forebears, a simple inconvenience.
    It was when it was, and the idea of fair compensation or negotiation
    with non-white non-Christians was never a serious option in those times
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicRocker View Post
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    I hope you are not trying to imply that I changed what you said......


    and yes Heretic...he did say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicRocker View Post
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    Well apeman, I'm looking at your actual post in the thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicRocker View Post
    Manifest Destiney is not the same as building an empire.
    We were carving out a nation - not colonizing

    Are you saying there should not be a USA?
    There's a right way to build a nation and a very, VERY wrong way. Manifest destiny was worse than the route many other notorious empires took on their rise. Manifest destiny is said to even have inspired the eugenics movement and the Holocaust.

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