Reasons why John McCain should not be President

[MarkMiller]

John McCain was born August 29, 1936 in Panama

Posted January 29th, 2008 by freeman1 "No person except a natural born citizen shall be eligible to the office of President"

John McCain was born August 29, 1936 in Panama

by Francis Steffan

AmericanVoiceRadio.net

John McCain was born August 29, 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone, to two U.S. citizens. It's a common misunderstanding that the zone was a U.S. territory - in fact, the U.S. had lease rights, but not territorial rights.

The US Constitution states, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

No law or court ruling has ever established the precise definition of a natural born citizen. It is generally agreed that a natural born citizen of the United States is any person born in one of the 50 states or the District of Columbia.

John McCain's father "Jack" was born in Council Bluffs, Iowa. McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1931. Like his father and son, he graduated near the bottom of his class. He married Roberta Wright, a wealthy oil heiress, on January 21, 1933, in Caesar's Bar, Tijuana, Mexico. During WW II he commanded the submarine Gunnel at Operation Torch. After the end of the war, he was assigned to the Office of the Chief of Naval Personnel until 1948. He assumed command of Submarine Division 71 in the Pacific the next year. In 1950, he was assigned to a series of posts at The Pentagon. He spent the 1960s in a series of commands in the Atlantic, becoming Commander in Chief, U.S. Naval Forces in Europe in 1967 and 1968. Admiral McCain directed an investigation into the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty and he wanted the investigation done in less than a week even though the court’s president, Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd, said that it would take 6 months to conduct properly. Admiral McCain also wouldn’t permit Admiral Kidd to travel to Israel or to contact any potential Israeli witnesses. In fact, the written affidavits of 60 witnesses from the Liberty itself who were hospitalized at the time of the restricted inquiry, were also excluded from the final report and not considered as part of the evidentiary record. The investigation was completed in just ten days. The National Archives in College Park, Maryland includes in its files on casualties from the Liberty copies of the original telegrams the Navy sent out to family members. The telegrams which called the attack accidental, were sent out June 9, the day before the Navy court of inquiry convened .
When Senator McCain was asked to reopen and conduct a proper investigation into the USS Liberty's attack he stated that he wasn’t going to do anything about it because the “matter was thoroughly reviewed.”

Senator McCain also collaborated with ultra liberal Senator Ted Kennedy to attempt to provide amnesty to nearly 40 million illegal aliens, mostly Mexican.

When the Constitution was established, the United States government did not have a empire builder foreign policy. The United States military was for defensive purposes only. As a matter of fact, the U.S. is not to have a "standing Army" and all the documents evidencing the intent of the authors of the Constitution, warned against becoming involved in foreign entanglements. The U.S. had zero foreign based military forces and certainly did not approve of, envision, or condone having babies and raising families on foreign based U.S. military installations. The intent of the authors of the Constitution is exactly opposite the policy twentieth century U.S. government has pursued.

The Constitution of the United States, Article 1, Section 8, vests in Congress the power "to establish an uniform rule of naturalization." "Naturalization" is NOT synonymous with "Natural Born Citizen."

In order to come to a Constitutional definition of "Natural Born Citizen," one must look to the common meaning and understanding of the phrase at the time it was written.
The Constitution has been called a "living document" by liberal progressives who think they know better than the authors of the Constitution and want what they want with disregard for The Supreme Law of the Land. In one way, and one way only, is the Constitution a living document. The authors of the Constitution gave a specific process to add to or subtract from the Constitution and that is by amendment. The Supreme Court, the U.S. Congress nor the President of the United States are granted the authority to define or change the Constitution in any way, they only have an obligation and duty to obey it.

There were no foreign based US military forces at the writing of the U.S. Constitution, therefore, it is impossible that the intent of the Constitution was to have babies born to civilian wives of military personnel be considered "Natural Born Citizens." The only authority the government may lawfully exercise, through the U.S. Congress, is to declare these children to be "naturalized Citizens" at birth based upon the U.S. , Congress's authority "establish an uniform rule of Naturalization." I must reiterate, not the U.S. Congress, the U.S. Supreme Court nor the President of the United States is "authorized" to define or change the meaning, definition, or intent of "Natural Born Citizen" as prescribed by the authors of the Constitution.

The original "intent" and therefore meaning and definition of "Natural Born Citizen" is one free white man being delivered through natural progression of a pregnancy, born within the geographical boundaries of one of the several States of the union, and later the District of Columbia. This is very clear and simple and what it means is born HERE.

In the Fourteenth Amendment the eligible group allowed Citizenship was expanded from free white men to "All persons." This would have been better stated “all people” to avoid the bogus recognition of a corporation being a "person.” This would have been better as it would have clarified the meaning as intended, which is having rights of people but lacking any of the liabilities. One cannot imprison a corporation, but that is for a later article.

The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1 actually defines "natural born citizen" by stating, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

One’s wishes of what one feels things should be must yield to facts of law and one must accept the way things are according to the law until such time one is able to change the law.
There are two types of Citizenship in the United States, Natural Born and Naturalized. The fourteenth amendment defines "Natural Born Citizen" as persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. It goes on to explain that there exists a dual Citizenship that includes the United States and of the State in which on lives. This in itself serves to demonstrate that Natural Born Citizen being born in the United States means within one of the several united States of America.

People may feel that it is not right that John McCain is not eligible to be President of the United States of America, however, this is a fact of law. "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President. There are two types of Citizenship in the United States "Natural Born" and "Naturalized." Congress has authority to make rules as to how to become a "naturalized citizen." There is no such authority granted to Congress, the Court, or the President to define "Natural Born Citizen."

Given the fact the United States official and long term military enclaves presence within foreign nations was not authorized and in fact was cautioned against by the authors of the founding documents of this nation including but not limited to the Constitution it is not only unlikely but impossible that the authors intended anyone born outside the several States of the United States, for any reason, to be considered "Natural Born Citizens" of the United States. This position and fact is second witnessed and verified by the fourteenth amendment, section 1 where it states clearly the two forms of United States Citizenship and defines Natural Born Citizen as "all persons born...in the United States...".

Some will attempt to argue the point that U.S. military bases are under the jurisdiction of the United States and the fourteenth amendment mentions that. The fourteenth amendment states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." The word "and" means "as well as" being born in the United States. Being born only under the jurisdiction of the United States, as some misguided military people would like to imagine, is not good enough. Some would like to believe that because the "United States" has a Status of Forces Agreement with a foreign government that military bases are somehow "sovereign" U.S. territory. If you murder a Panamanian citizen in Oregon you will be arrested by Oregon police, go through the Oregon courts and be imprisoned in Oregon, and now some other state maybe, but still within the U.S. If you murder a Panamanian citizen on a U.S. military base in Panama you will be arrested by Panamanian police, go through the Panamanian courts and be imprisoned in Panama. So much for "sovereignty."

All this discussion is nothing more than hot air and a waste of time that is off point. The point is that one cannot build a viable position on a non-existent foundation. In this case the foundation is the Constitution and the intent of the authors, NOT Status of Forces Agreements and worthless arguments by military men who would like to have babies on foreign soil, calling them natural born Citizens and have them run for President some day.

The authors of the U.S. founding documents counseled against becoming entangled in foreign wars. They also had a distinct distaste for colonial empire building. So now we are to believe that it was their intent to designate the prodigy, born on foreign soil, of the American centurion colonizing for the empire as a Natural Born Citizen?

The fourteenth amendment states "born or naturalized in the United States," that is IN the United States. At the time of the writing of the Constitution it was properly written as united States of America as the word “united” was describing the condition of the States not a proper name of a thing. The Congress can direct that persons may be "Naturalized" "in" the United States to mean embassies, military bases or wherever else they decide. That is what they are authorized to do. However, they are NOT authorized to redefine what "Natural Born Citizen" means. It means what it meant to the authors of the Constitution. The US did not have foreign military bases at the time the Constitution was authored. Therefore "born on a US military base in a foreign country" is NOT what they meant by "Natural Born Citizen."

The intention of the authors of the Constitution was that no person born outside the geographical boundaries of the several States of the United States of America be eligible to hold the office of President of the United States of America. Animus ad se omne jus ducit - It is to the intention that all law applies. Animus moninis est anima scripti - The intention of the party is the soul of the instrument. 3 Bulstr 67 - Maxims of Law from Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary.

There are consequences to disregarding the Constitution and the intent of the authors of our founding documents. There are consequences to following a course of empire building by military might. There are consequences to being born on foreign soil as a son or daughter of a centurion of that empire building military. You are not Constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States of America.

You may think it's not fair. You may feel it's not right. You may think because military and government "experts" tell you a military base in a foreign country is actually the United States that it's okay for John McCain to hold the office of President of the United States. You are nevertheless wrong and so are they, no matter how long they have told the falsehood and believed in error. communis error no facit just - A common error does not make law. -Maxims of Law from Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary.
The position stated in this article is based only upon the Constitution and the intent of the authors of the founding documents of this nation. The only authority on this matter is the Constitution and the intent of the authors. Argumentum ab authoritate est fortissimum in lege - An argument drawn from authority is the strongest in law. Co. Litt. 254.-Maxims of Law from Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary.

If you don't like the law, by all means work to change it, however, until such time that it is changed John McCain III is not a natural born citizen and therefore not eligible to be President of the United States of America.
And;
"I do not question John McCain being a U.S. Citizen, a "citizen of the United States at birth" even. I just do not believe he is a "natural born citizen" - "where ONLY the natural act of one being born determines the status of ones citizenship with no additional stipulations" - and therefore he is not eligible to be President of the United States of America until such time the Constitution is amended to allow it."

"The article I wrote doesn’t suggest that John McCain isn’t a Citizen. However, the process of becoming a citizen for a child born abroad is, one of their parents Citizenship must be proven to be U.S. and the child’s birth must be registered with the U.S. consulate in that country. If this process is not followed that child will not be recognized as a U.S. Citizen.

There is no such requirement when born within one of the several States of the union. Parents do not have to prove anything. The requirement is found in Title 8 of the US code. The U.S. Congress has the authority to make rules concerning "Naturalization." What is described is a declaration of Citizenship, a form of regulated naturalization. The U.S. Congress has no authority in law or reason to "declare" anyone a "Natural Born Citizen," one either is or is not. If you are a "Natural Born Citizen" there would be no need for a "declaration" made by Congress through the U.S. Code.
Conversely, two completely foreign to the U.S. illegally present parents can have a baby in San Diego and that baby is a "Natural Born Citizen" of the United States. There is no Congressional conditions because they are only authorized to regulate "Naturalization" as they regulate, by requiring proof of a parents Citizenship and consular registration, the citizenship status of a baby born outside one of the several States of the Union.

I have no doubt that John McCain is a Citizen of the United States who has served this country, good or bad, for most of his life.

As far as I can tell a naturalized Citizen has all the rights and status as a natural born Citizen except for one, holding the office of President of the United States of America.
John McCain has plenty of positions and history that make him a very undesirable candidate for President however, this article was not meant to disparage his positions or history of bad behavior it simply points out he is not eligible to hold the office based upon his Citizenship status.

If people are not happy with the way the Constitution reads then they need to push for an amendment to change the things they don’t like."

[MarkMiller]

Schwarzenegger Behind Group Seeking to Repeal Constitutional Rule Baring Foreigners from Presidency

Infowars.com | Alex Jones
November 15, 2004

Schwarzenegger political operative Lissa Morgenthaler-Jones is spearheading a new organization that is pushing a four-year plan to repeal Article 2 of the Constitution and the 22nd Amendment.

Morgenthaler-Jones joined the Arnold campaign as a member of his finance committee the day after he announced his run for the California Governorship in 2003.

Other members of the group are admitted Schwarzenegger political surrogates as well.

The group has launched an aggressive TV ad campaign in California with the stated goal of raising millions of dollars for a national push modeled after moveon.org's system of political marketing.

This Schwarzenegger's front group emergence comes after a three-week blitz by high powered government king-makers across the political spectrum pushing for the way to be cleared for Arnold to be President in 2008.

Congressman Dana Rohrbacher , R-CA who has introduced a bill in the House of Representatives to remove Article 2 of the US Constitution as well as the 22nd Amendment told the San Jose Mercury-News that Republicans are looking at Arnold to be the next President and expressed his opinion that we're going to need "his leadership" when Bush's term is up.

John McCain has says that he thinks that the Constitution should be changed so Arnold could run. He made the statement on Jay Leno's Tonight Show. Leno is a known minion of Schwarzenegger.

Ted Kennedy has called for the law to be changed so Arnold could run for president. Arnold on 60 Minutes said that he thinks the law should be changed so he can shoot for the top.

For several years, it has been clear to myself and other researchers that Arnold has unprecedented support from the elite. The greatest piece of evidence for this is that neither I nor my colleagues can think of any political leader with more admitted dirt in his past. Despite all of the groping, nazi connections, the gay pornography, steroid use, and Enron connections the mainstream media continues to put Arnold the Barbarian in a good light.

California economically in much worse shape. Their deficit has doubled what it was just a year ago. Still, Arnold and the media have succeeded in making some people think that things are better.
The elite has positioned Arnold for the Presidency. We're told, "be nice, let a foreigner be your President." Any other nation having the same agenda pushed on them would laugh.

This is humiliating and shows the level of control that the establishment has when they can warp reality and make Arnold look like a good guy.

Below is a detailed analysis of Arnold Schwarzenegger and his Twilight Zone past. We suggest everyone review the facts for themselves and join us in a movement against this foreign invader and his corporate controllers who are out to loot America.

We knew they had big plans for Arnold during his gubernatorial run because the media and the establishment defended him to the hilt and ignored the worst stories about him.

Now heavy hitters from both political parties are coming out of the woodwork promoting Arnold for the Presidency, and an incessant media blitz is telling us how great he is.

We know a Constitutional Convention is slated for the next few years. A Con Con can be called for a gay marriage amendment or a flag-burning amendment, but as soon as one starts the entire Constitution and Bill of Rights is fair game.

They can kill the Second Amendment and remove laws blocking Schwarzenegger from being President. We've got to stop a Constitutional Convention.

No one else would survive even a tenth of the scandals that have been swept under the rug for Schwarzenegger.

[Mithrall]

You seriously want to disqualify him to be president because of a technicality of his birth? His parents were serving the U.S. That is just plain pathetic. If you look at all the reasons he shouldn't be president and this is the best you can come up with or even if you include this as one of the reasons... well... pathetic. There are many reasons I feel McCain should not be president, where he was born is not one of them.

[Mithrall]

BTW, did you work for Hillary's campaign? This sounds like something they would have come up with.

[ibex]

There are many reasons why McCain shouldn't be President but his place of birth isn't one of them. This prefabricated issue is just one more distraction that we don't need, but the irony of a GOP candidate running into trouble because of the xenophobia advocted by his party's base is not lost on me.

[Jonesy]

You seriously want to disqualify him to be president because of a technicality of his birth? His parents were serving the U.S. That is just plain pathetic. If you look at all the reasons he shouldn't be president and this is the best you can come up with or even if you include this as one of the reasons... well... pathetic. There are many reasons I feel McCain should not be president, where he was born is not one of them.

Do you think place of birth does not affect brain development?

[bornright]

The reason McCain should not be president is because he is a moderate when this country needs a strong conservative more than ever. The reason McCain should be president is he is running against Obama which leaves this country no choice.

[Comicsartist]

The reason McCain should not be president is because he is a moderate when this country needs a strong conservative more than ever. The reason McCain should be president is he is running against Obama which leaves this country no choice.

Still a dumbass, I see.

Poor little racist farmer bornwhacked. "...(L)eaves this country no choice." Did a black man scare you as a child? You have an irrational fear of brown skinned people. Get help.

How about you give us some accurate reasons Obama shouldn't be president.

[bornright]

Still a dumbass, I see.

Poor little racist farmer bornwhacked. "...(L)eaves this country no choice." Did a black man scare you as a child? You have an irrational fear of brown skinned people. Get help.

How about you give us some accurate reasons Obama shouldn't be president.

This thread is about McCain. I have posted many reasons why Obama should not be president on other posts.

[Comicsartist]

This thread is about McCain. I have posted many reasons why Obama should not be president on other posts.

And not a one of them were accurate.

Did you enjoy the past seven years of downward spiral? Have you enjoyed watching thousands of Americans dying in a war we entered based on a lie?

That's it, isn't it? You enjoy watching our troops dying needlessly, don't you? That's the only reason ANYONE would vote for McBush.

McBush isn't a moderate by any means. He's a BushBot.

Get the bull shit out from between your ears.