Refuge51

mamma - informal terms for a mother
mom, momma, mommy, ma, mama, mummy, mammy, mum
female parent, mother - a woman who has given birth to a child (also used as a term of address to your mother); "the mother of three children"

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Refuge51

Hysteria? The norm? Link please.

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Heavy_monkey2.0

Nice point, MaMa VIck should be placed under massive public scrutiny her children are criminals and/or complete flakes, is child neglect child abuse? should action be against mama vick?


He shall herefore be known as "ConVICK", because thats what his "handlers" will call him.

i completely agree with your take on peoples reaction StillNOscript. People are complete hypocrits, though the media is worse.

Refuge51

Yet others may refer to 'ConVick' as 'My bitch'.

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Refuge51

You're right that the country (other than 'animal' people) just accepted it and didn't think about it, that the inadequate laws reflect that apathy, etc. I consider it a feather in the cap of the animal rights community for launching the outrage (not hysteria) on a national scale. This shit has been enraging me and others on this board forever, and it's not a 'new' outrage for the US.

The rest of the country caught on and responded because WE were pissed about it and Vick was just 'important' enough to the rest of the country that it was worth taking notice finally!.

Whatever it takes. That the rest of the country is on the wrong page and it takes a famous sports hero's fall from grace to get people's attention is a reflection on the rest of the country.

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StillNoScript

Refuge, thank you for finally responding to my points. I was just about to ask you one last time, why you think the sentencing guidelines are so short? But I scrolled down to see that you've conceded to that point.

I agree, this is a feather in the hat for animal rights, and let us not forget, the pooches themselves. But make no mistake, the reason why the sentencing guidelines were so small is because until Vick's arrest, America didn't give a flying fuck about dog fighting. That's the cold hard fact.

In light of Vick's arrest, they care now. Why does it take Vick's arrest? Who knows? That's possibly a discussion for another thread. But we know it did. Until Vick's arrest, dog fighting was looked upon as a scummy thing to do, but not necessarily a serious crime along the lines of drugs, etc. Again, this isn't a matter of opinion. This is based on the fact that dog fighting by federal statutes gets you a slap on the wrist, compared to what you would get if you were caught with a large amount of illegal drugs. What do you think is more dangerous? You don't even have to answer.

As far as the "mama" shit? I doubt you would say that in front of black people, just for the possibility of it being interpreted the wrong way. But hey, it's the internet and there's no better place to vent and say things you wouldn't say in the real world. Knock yourselves out.

Refuge51

Queen wasn't afraid to sing it out to the real world:
And neither am I!
"Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he's dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama, ooo
Didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters"
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The Shirelles:
"Mama said there'll be days like this,
There'll be days like this Mama said
(Mama said, mama said)
Mama said there'll be days like this,
There'll be days like this my Mama said
(Mama said, mama said) "

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The Shangrilas:

"Instead I remember
being tucked in bed and hearing my mama say
(Hush, little baby, don't you cry)
(Mama won't go away)
Mama!!!
(You can never go home anymore)
Mama!!!
I can never go home anymore"
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You run down older people such as Cosmicrocker, because we're not as technically advanced as you at 33. We laid the floor plans for you young people. And you really are ignorant in regard to baby boomers history.

Black or white, we called our mothers, 'Mama, Mommy and Mom'. And sometimes 'The Old Lady'! My sister is 59 and still calls our 78 yr. old Mother "Mama"

Maybe in your ignorance you were mistaking Mama for Mammy?

Seriously, grow the fuck up!

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cronincal

another vick casualty.

Petrino leaves Falcons
Coach takes over at Arkansas hours after resignation
Posted: Tuesday December 11, 2007 6:50PM;
Updated: Wednesday December 12, 2007 12:20AM
By Peter King, SI.com

The star-crossed season of the Atlanta Falcons continued, stunningly, Tuesday afternoon when coach Bobby Petrino told owner Arthur Blank he wanted out as head coach.

A league source said Blank reluctantly granted Petrino's wish and let him out of his contract. Within hours, Petrino was introduced as the head coach at the University of Arkansas.

"The guy's not the head coach [of the Falcons] anymore,'' the league source said. "It's probably for the best. He was one of the worst communicators in pro sports.''

As of early Tuesday evening, the two candidates to serve as the Falcons interim coach for the last three weeks of the season are defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer, who once turned down the Nebraska head-coaching job to stay in the NFL, and offensive coordinator Hue Jackson. The Falcons are expected to announce their decision at a Wednesday afternoon press conference.

The Falcons, 3-10 in Petrino's rookie NFL season, were not a happy team from training camp through now. First there was the Michael Vick suspension over his dogfighting charges, which happened just before the start of camp in July. Then there were skirmishes between Petrino and several players during the season, most notably cornerback DeAngelo Hall after Hall's blowup during a game against Carolina Sept. 23. Hall was openly critical of Petrino's autocratic coaching ways, and several players on the team were privately critical of Petrino as well. The general consensus in the locker room was that Petrino changed very little from his style as a dictatorial coach at the University of Louisville when he was handed a five-year, $24-million contract as the Falcons coach in January.

Though Petrino steadfastly maintained he was in the Falcons job for the long haul -- and Blank reiterated that definitively after discussing the college vacancies with Petrino Nov. 25 -- he clearly was uncomfortable with several factors as an NFL head coach. The Hall dustup, for instance, did not end just because the team fined him $100,000 for conduct detrimental to the team after the September incident. Hall continually said nettlesome things in the press, which angered Petrino, but he realized he was powerless to do much about it until at least this offseason, when he knew he'd be able to cut or trade Hall. Petrino clearly did not like the power players have in pro football versus how coaches can dictate to players in college football.

After the season, it's likely Atlanta will talk against to one of the finalists for the job last year -- San Francisco assistant head coach Mike Singletary.
The top pro candidates this year are expected to include offensive coordinator Jason Garrett of the Cowboys and defensive coordinators Rex Ryan of Baltimore and Jim Schwartz of the Titans.

At Arkansas, Petrino succeeds Houston Nutt, who stepped down two weeks ago and became the head coach at Mississippi. Petrino was introduced as the Razorbacks coach by incoming athletic director Jeff Long at a late-night news conference.

"Today was a day of decision," Petrino said. "It was difficult on one side, very easy on the other. It was difficult to leave Atlanta, the staff, players, fans. The timing of it was probably the thing that made it most difficult. Coming to Arkansas was the easy part."

The Falcons declined further comment beyond a terse, two-paragraph statement released Tuesday night. Blank and general manager Rich McKay were scheduled to hold a news conference Wednesday.

After losing Vick, Bobby Petrino tried three starting quarterbacks without success. The Falcons are 3-10 and assured of the 32nd season of .500 or worse in their 42-year history.

"Anytime you're without of the best athletes in the National Football League, it's going to be tough," Hall said earlier in the season. "Take Peyton Manning from the Colts, and they'll go through a little slump."

The resignation of Petrino was another jarring blow in a surreal year for the Falcons, who had dealt with Vick's legal troubles since the first day of training camp. A plane flew over the team's practice facility pulling a sign that said: "New team name? Dog Killers?"

That was a far cry from Petrino's introductory news conference, when he talked of his reasons for leaving Louisville.

"I was able to see the commitment that has been made here," he said. "I believe this is truly the best football job in the NFL. It was an easy decision for me."

Of course, he had no idea what Vick was doing in his spare time.

Petrino's stint was one of the shortest for a non-interim coach since the 1970 NFL-AFL merger. Pete McCulley was fired after starting out 1-8 with San Francisco in 1978, and Sid Gillman lasted only 10 games in his second stint as San Diego coach, going 4-6 in 1971 before quitting.

In an interesting twist, Lou Holtz coached the New York Jets for 13 games in 1976. He went 3-10, then left the team with one game remaining to become Arkansas' coach.

Petrino leaves with the third-worst winning percentage among Atlanta coaches. Only Norb Hecker, who was 4-26-1, and Marion Campbell, who went 17-51 in two stints as head coach, rank below Petrino's .231 mark.

In four years as Louisville's coach, Petrino produced a 41-9 record and some of the highest-scoring teams in the country. But the Falcons were anemic without Vick, ranking 24th in total yards and 30th in scoring.

Atlanta also was plagued by injuries on the offensive line, which forced Petrino to start two players who weren't even drafted out of college.

Just hours after Vick's sentencing in Richmond, Va., Atlanta took its fourth straight double-digit loss, 34-14 to the New Orleans Saints.
"Not a good day," Petrino said afterward.

The resignation had to be a major surprise to Blank, who fired Jim Mora just two seasons after he led the Falcons to the NFC championship game, and lured Petrino with a lucrative contract.

Before Monday's game, Blank said he felt better than ever about his decision to hire Petrino given all the adversity the team faced this season.

"I feel real fortunate we have a terrific guy leading our team, our CEO, in Bobby Petrino," Blank said. "I think he's proven to me he's a better head coach than we thought he was going to be, dealing with a set of cards we didn't see unfold this year, which probably never in the history of the NFL has anything like this happened. Bobby has done a wonderful job dealing with all of these issues. He's kept the players focused."

But there were signs of dissension, especially in the way Petrino dealt with his players.

He ran the team with an aloof style, feeling no reason to share his decisions on personnel with the affected players. He could walk through the locker room without speaking to anyone and was openly criticized by two of the team's stars, Pro Bowlers Hall and Alge Crumpler.

Petrino drew the ire of the veterans with his decision to cut nose tackle Grady Jackson, one of the team's most productive defensive linemen, during the bye week. Quarterback Joey Harrington was noticeably perturbed a few weeks ago when, after leading the Falcons to two straight wins, he heard from the media that Petrino still considered injury prone Byron Leftwich the starter.

Against the Saints, the Falcons made another change at the most crucial offensive position, giving Chris Redman his first start since 2002. While Redman threw for 298 yards and two touchdowns, the Falcons lost again.
They have been outscored by an average of 18.5 points in their last four defeats.

After the latest loss, Petrino sounded as though he was still committed to getting the Falcons turned around.

"We'll come back on Wednesday to take a look at it, and then we'll get back to work," he said. "We have to find something to rally around."

But clearly, Petrino already had decided to abandon the sinking ship.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report

StillNoScript

Your defense of CosmicRocker is similar to your defense of your obvious race bating, enticing use of the term "mama" on this thread, poorly thought out.

If you'd reviewed that thread, you'd see that Cosmic Rocker clearly tried to make the point that only young and naive people are for Barack Obama. I pointed out that I'm 33, have been on my own and supporting myself for a decade now, and that therefore I am no college kid protesting in the streets on my parents' dime, or whatever, as he most certainly insinuated. He responded with, "well, I'm 53". As if to say, "sit down, kid.". And, yes, I responded to him by saying that in the digital age, wisdom no longer comes with age.

I work with a lot of 50 year olds who are dumber than a pile of rocks. Wisdom is not exactly synonymous with their mopey approach to life. It seems like they have a grudge with younger people for not being as lazy as they are. But don't get me wrong, some are smart. 50 year olds that educate themselves and stay with the game, I would say, probably do have more wisdom. So I basically said to Cosmic, if the shoe fits, wear it. Seeing he never responded, which category of 50 year old would you say he falls into?

Today's 50 year old paving the path for us? Fucking most hilarious line of the day, Refuge. I'm sure you can tell us which Foghat album to buy but come on, it's not like you guys fought in WW2.

Now that that's out of the way, allow me to say that I'm glad animal abuse is taken more seriously in America. Vick deserved to be punished. I wouldn't have had a problem with him getting a life sentence for this. It's too bad it took an already controversial athlete's arrest to bring this attention to animal abuse (which has to make you wonder how long this concern for animal abuse will last), but at least for the time being, it did.

Now, Refuge, being that Vick's been sentenced and pretty much nobody is defending him in regards to animal abuse, are YOU going to move on from this? Or do you have more racially enticing comments to make and/or more off topic grudges to get out of your system on this thread?

Refuge51

Like I said before SNS...you're ignorant of baby boomers and their use of the word Mama.
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My Mama Said - ABBA
Mother Popcorn - James Brown
Mother and Child Reunion - Paul Simon
Mother's Pride - George Michael
Mother Nature's Son - The Beatles
Mama, He's Crazy - The Judds
Mama Don't Get Dressed Up For Nothing - Brooks & Dunn
Mama's Always on Stage - Arrested Development
Mama Told Me (Not To Come) - Three Dog Night
Mamas, Don't Let Your Babies Grow up to be Cowboys - Waylon Jennings
Mama Can't Buy You Love - Elton John
Mother - John Lennon
Mother the Queen of my Heart - Arlo Guthrie
Mother Goose - Jethro Tull
Mother - Tori Amos
Dear Mama - Tupac Shakur
Shop Around (My Mama Told Me) - Smokey Robinson & the Miracles Mother's Little Helper - Rolling Stones
Mama Said - Lenny Kravitz
Mama - Laura Branigan
Mama - Genesis
Mama - Toto

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