StillNoScript

So, you're finally coming around to the likeliness of Vick being brought up in a culture that had little respect for animals? Congratulations on the long journey from your believing he was just a bored, greedy athlete that woke up one morning and decided he was going to kill some dogs, which is what you insinuated repeatedly at the Maher board.

JeffinCO

Look, culture or no culture....He's a grown man who makes his own decisions. This sorta sounds like a "This isn't his fault" rant.

Look, if I was taught at 5, that it's OK to kill dogs, that wouldnt preclude me from (being a somewhat responsible adult) knowing any better when I was grown up.

I hope that what you're saying is that the culture of dog-fighting is the root of the problem, not that Mike is any less guilty.

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Refuge51

There were three of us Teri, Dadakarma, and me. Sure you have the right person?

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EvilMonkey

Absolutely, we all know the difference between right and wrong and the culture thing is a poor excuse. Someone with that capability can just as easily do it to humans, most serial killers start out with animals.

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Refuge51

And yes he was greedy or bored...anyone with that kind of money surely could find something to do besides abusing animals, gambling and racketeering. Oh well, guess he'll find another hobby now. Hopefully to teach children and other sports heroes to never end up like him.

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Refuge51

Jeff and Eric...both of you are voices of reason

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StillNoScript

Fascinating lecture there, but the reason I brought it up was because at the Maher board Refuge was insisting that Vick was not brought up in this culture, and that he was instead just bored one morning and started killing dogs. She even went on to say that Vick was well off, if I can recall.

No excuses are being made for Vick, or anyone. The only reason I ever brought up people being raised in this culture was to demonstrate just how America didn't take dog fighting as seriously as they started taking it when Vick got nabbed.

So, sorry. Save your holier than thout self accountability lectures for one of the few people that looks to you for wisdom. I'm not one of them.

StillNoScript

Learn to follow threads so you'll know what you're talking about. i know you're likely yet another liberal pulled further to the right by 7 years of Bush, and therefore can't wait to give the accountability lecture when one of your fellow libs goes Al Sharpton on you defending a black criminal, but that's not the case here, so cool your 'moderate liberal' jets. Vick's a scumbag. Fuck him.

The only reason I ever brought up the dog fighting culture, either here or at Maher, was to demonstrate how America didn't consider this a serious crime, at least not along the lines of drug dealing and murder, until Vick got caught. There was never a sob story for Vick coming from moi. Just a curiosity as to why people suddenly jumped on the Dog Fighting = Pre meditated murder bandwagon the minute a pro athlete, a controversial, obnoxious one, at that, gets nailed for it.

StillNoScript

So, you're back to being your closed minded, presumptuous self. I'm actually relieved, because this is the YOU I'm used to. Your open minded moment of clarity when you commented on Vick's upbringing and his lack of being taught to love and care for animals just wasn't you, afterall. But your post is still there, for anyone who wants to scroll up and see it. Hurry up, before she deletes it. Refuge's moments of objectivity come along about as often as Haley's Comet.

EvilMonkey

Thanks for the advice but you seriously should consider an enema and a glass of whine.

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