Roger Clemens Drama , did he? - Page 2

Teri B. · 01-08-2008, 04:39 PM

Wow! I'm the only one who thinks he didn't? I saw him on 60 Minutes, and he convinced me.

Heavy_monkey2.0 · 01-08-2008, 07:15 PM

I loved the resurrection when he hit toronto, maybe it was being released from what was his franchise team, maybe he dedicated himself to training, maybe skydome was a friendlier pitcher park than fenway.

Big bluff Texan, rocket has never been anything but a bully, he made a career throwing inside in the american league.

Please give me a break

rockets phoney baloney statements about not caring about his numbers or reaching the hall, heres a guy who is a living baseball legend, using his fame, his phenomenal numbers HIS Legend to bend teams to his will, i will show up when i have to pitch, thats how an introverted jerkoff puts his legend to work, by showing up when the spotlights on him, so he can get his 350th win and not be bothered by the day to day goings-on of being a single player on a team, hes the most accomplished pitcher of my generation (go Verlander!!).

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Teri, 50% of the worlds population say that just a picture of this guy produces a nauseating gag reflex

49.9% actually vomited during the study....

Veronica · 01-08-2008, 07:41 PM

He cheated, but I don't care. Most of those guys are on steroids. It is a joke to think they are clean. There is no way he came back at his age to break all of those records without help. The body is not made that way.

Teri B. · 01-08-2008, 07:56 PM

Good! There's more of him for meeeeeee!

ImusWallower · 01-08-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Teri B.

Wow! I'm the only one who thinks he didn't? I saw him on 60 Minutes, and he convinced me.

he was careful; said he never used banned substances. dont you think he is trying too hard/

Heavy_monkey2.0 · 01-08-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisbb

he was careful; said he never used banned substances. dont you think he is trying too hard/

its funny how he expressed feeling so much uncontrolable anger at his press conference because when the mitchell report first dropped...he had nothing to say "proper time proper place"...

are you kidding me? listen to the tape, his trainer is unaware that rocket is recording him, rocket never commits to anything on the tape Mac (this guy sounds legitamately shaken up_keeps saying "just tell me what to do" and fathead is all "just tell the truth" he doesnt say " hey admit that you lied about me, admit that you are a liar and i never used roids" "just tell the truth"....

Sean · 01-09-2008, 06:52 AM

My sentiments exactly about the cowardly taped conversation.

Heavy_monkey2.0 · 01-09-2008, 10:02 AM

I think most fans could live with roger being a user, of course his legacy wont mean as much (there will be no smoking gun evidence, just testimony imo) roger will go down denying it.

It will kill captain ego to have his legacy so tarnished, first ballot lock will barely get in.

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Originally Posted by Baseball fans everywhere

Roger Clemens,

you can balk all you want now rocket, your diehard fans will still give you a pass and for most mlb fans all the good-will you have accumulated over the years will reflect most appropriately on your personal character, being a self deluded self entitled asshole will fly if the people think you are somekind of jerkoff savant throwing lighting and thunder from the mound and even then most people can show if not respect for your accomplishments, forgiveness for your transgressions, we are a sympathetic lot roger, but you better research "humility" harder than the current role of "innocent" you have been playing.

Because the longer you drag this out, the harder its going to be to come back from and wont it be refreshing to finally get a chance to return-kiss all the asses who have been kissing your's for years.....cheater

Teri B. · 01-09-2008, 10:05 AM

Okay, I've changed my mind again . . . after hearing Frank Deford on NPR today. I guess I'm a flip-flopper on this.

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Clemens' Denial of Steroid Use Hard to Believe
by Frank Deford
January 9, 2008

Most of you never heard of Ralph Beard, or if you did, had forgotten him by the time he died a few weeks ago just short of age 80. But back in the 1940s, Beard was a terrific All-American, who led Kentucky to two national championships and the United States to a gold medal in the 1948 Olympics. He was already a first-team NBA All-Star when it was revealed that he had taken money from gamblers to shave points in games at Kentucky.

Beard, like so many other players of that era, was summarily banned for life from the game. He admitted his guilt, too, saying that he had simply grown up poor and just couldn't resist taking the money. He lost it all for only about $700 — branded forever as a fixer.

We tend to be more critical of athletes, like Ralph Beard, who conspire to lose, rather than those, like steroid users, who cheat trying to win. That's often dismissed as just being canny, looking for an edge. Why, Gaylord Perry was celebrated outright for his ability to throw illegal pitches; he tricked his way into the Hall of Fame, everybody laughing right along with him.

But the fact is, that it makes no difference in which direction an athlete cheats; either way he is distorting fairness, which is the very essence of sport. Ralph Beard's transgressions cost his own team victory. If Roger Clemens — or any other player named in the Mitchell Report — is guilty as charged, then he cost other teams their fair due. What, pray, is the difference?

Now, of course, Clemens has taken a refrain from so many other guilty athletes' lyrics by claiming that he didn't know that he was being given a banned substance. Barry Bonds swore he thought it was all just flaxseed oil. Remember? Hasn't Clemens read that Bonds is up for perjury, that Marion Jones may be sentenced to prison this very Friday for the same sort of lies?

But here Clemens is, disputing his trainer, Brian McNamee, who testified — under threat of jail if he was caught lying — that he injected Clemens with steroids and HGH.

The sad and bizarre phone call with McNamee that Clemens taped last Friday and then played in public seemed only — to me — to confirm the pitcher's guilt.

All right, I'm sorry. Perhaps I'm just too cynical. Perhaps I have just heard it all too often — even emotionally, to my face — from athletes claiming, with just as much dramatic insistence as Clemens supplied, that they were innocent, only to be convicted later.

Even after he told the truth, Ralph Beard spent more than 50 years of his life in shame. If Roger Clemens is guilty, then he deserves no better. Let's put the right word on it. Any player who took steroids is a fixer. He fixed games.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=17943759

Sean · 01-09-2008, 03:08 PM

Wait, did Clemens or his lawyer repeat that BaBo statement in regards to himself today? I'm confused a bit by that article Terri.

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